On Aug 5, 11:21 pm, The Ghost In The Machine
wrote:
In sci.physics, BradGuth

wrote
on Mon, 06 Aug 2007 00:45:11 -0000
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On Aug 4, 10:04 pm, The Ghost In The Machine
wrote:
He has always wanted to move the Moon to Earth's L1,
apparently so as to block part of the incoming sunlight,
presumably compensating for the Moon's global warming effect.
(Erm...yeah.)

The goal is weird enough, but the method is even weirder:
a billion-metric-tonne mass tethered to the Moon by a
line 3x the length between the Moon and the Earth-Moon L2
(that would be 185,000 km from the Moon's center of mass,
or about half Luna's orbit) or possibly the Earth-Sun L2
(about 4.5 million km out), presumably gradually pulling
it out somehow into the requisite orbit until it reaches
the target.

I'd actually said that using 2X worth of the moon's L2 should more
than do the tethered trick. But then you're not at all whom you say
you are, so what's the difference?

To your credit, I'd had also once said, if need be a 3XL2 could be
utilized. But then you're not at all whom you say you are, so what's
the difference?

You are proposing a flight plan. I am certainly not a
rocket scientist, just an interested goyim. Oh, wait,
I can't be one of those; I have to be Jewish. Well,
never mind -- the point is that your flight plan lacks
a certain level of detail; in particular, how do we get
that tonnage up there? How much did you want us to PAY
to get that tonnage up there?

Sorry for all the delay, in that GOOGLE/NOVA isn't updating their
topic/author index in order to show where silly folks like yourself
have been contributing to any of my topics (I think it another one of
those pesky Jewish things, that is unless you've got some other faith-
based cult to blame).

Cost is no problem, as I've got trillions to blow. The necessary R&D
for making this relocation of our moon happen is perfectly doable,
though how about yourself and those of your naysay kind that are still
not quite potty trained?


Except that there's no way it's going to work without
additional resources (e.g., massive thrust engines).
At best, such a contrivance might shift the center of mass
of the orbiting complex a little bit (and it wouldn't be
all that much; 10^12 kg versus 7.35 *10^22 kg). At worst,
the mass will establish an independent orbit, with it
and its tether posing a hazard to nearby spacecraft --
or the tether will simply snap.

I'm also not entirely sure as to how massive the tether
will have to be, even were the mass perfectly positionable
and able to tug the Moon into the desired orbit.

But never mind all that; I'm a Jewish naysayer, apparently. :-)

You've just proved that you are in fact a self certified Jewish
naysayer, at least by way of your naysay actions in support of all
that's Old Testament.

Of course I am. That is why I also say "nay" to the notion of
the Moon's lethality and to the sound-stage production facilities
that have long since been destroyed but filmed all of the Apollo
landings -- although for some reason they left out all of the stars.
Puzzling, especially since Star Trek had no difficulties putting
stars into shots of the Enterprise.

Are all such jewboys and otherwise pro Yid rusemasters as silly and/or
as dumbfounded as yourself?


Bear also in mind that to Brad Luna is highly radioactive
("anti-cathode" is the term he uses), lethal to anyone
who steps thereonto, even in a NASA-style protective suit
(whose primary goals were pressurization and maybe thermal
insulation, and did not address the issue of radiation
AFAIK). Of course the Moon is lethal to anyone silly
enough to step outside *without* such a suit, but that's
a different issue -- and the Apollo astronauts were well
aware of that risk.

Now that's silly because, where's Venus and a good half dozen other
off-moon items hiding all of this EVA and orbital time?

Sheltered by the sound stage, of course. Did you really
expect NASA to use all of the technology available to
Star Trek's post-optical production crew? After all,
this is public money we're speaking of!

What can we say, that perhaps our warm and fuzzy NASA never makes a
mistake, that MI5, CIA, FBI, NSA, GW Bush and so forth are each
without any human or incest related faults?

What planet of naysayism and public ****ology did you say you were
from?


thirdly we should establish POOF City at VL2, and go on from there.

The Average Joe is kinda antipathetic about POOFs. It just won't go
over, politically.

I was under the impression that Brad wanted to structure
this as a purely commercial venture. The general idea was
to send a city/spacecraft into the Sun-Venus L2 point --
more or less in Venus's shadow, as it were -- and supply
it with pizza and beer. Paying passengers would then be
shuttled to this city, as a vacation destination; they
would be picked up on the next cycle out, which is about
19 months or so as Earth again overtakes Venus.

Stripped of the more obvious silliness (beer and pizza
isn't that nutritious!), it might work on its technical
merits. I don't know how many would actually buy a ticket
to his city, though. (At $100M per, not very many, even
were Brad's sales pitch perfect.)

We'll only need twelve dozen or so, as the initial investors/suckers
for this Venus L2 POOF City to work in the black. 14 billion in start
up loot that'll likely be matched or tripled by any number of
government funded considerations, should give POOF City a good shot.

Might not even take that much. Mariner 2 only cost about
$200 million in 1962, though in today's dollars it would
be more like $1 billion (of course that's for a single
rocket flyby of a spacecraft that might have weighed a few
kilograms), and it is far from clear that POOF-V1 would
require quite the monitoring that Mariner 2 had.

Russian and soon enough China or even India made fly-by-rocket
alternatives at less than ten cents on our badly failing dollar are
coming to a theater near you.

POOF City will not be deployed by way of anything American, as we're
still too busy trying to traumatise and/or exterminate as many
innocent Muslims and for otherwise taking their oil, or at the very
least keeping it off the world market, as to honestly care about any
such interplanetary future.
- Brad Guth