Michelson and Morley experiment
doug wrote:
Pentcho Valev wrote:
On Sep 10, 4:23 pm, "Dirk Van de moortel"
wrote:
Pentcho Valev wrote in message
On Sep 10, 3:50 pm, PD wrote:
On Sep 10, 8:28 am, Pentcho Valev wrote:
On Sep 10, 2:55 am, PD wrote:
On Sep 9, 2:46 pm, Pentcho Valev wrote:
On Sep 9, 6:40 pm, PD wrote:
On Sep 9, 9:07 am, Pentcho Valev wrote:
On Sep 9, 2:27 pm, PD wrote in
sci.physics.relativity:
On Sep 9, 1:01 am, HW@....(Dr. Henri Wilson) wrote:
On Mon, 8 Sep 2008 17:59:44 -0700 (PDT), PD
wrote:
On Sep 8, 7:56 pm, HW@....(Dr. Henri Wilson) wrote:
If anyone tries to measure the properties of a moving
object or clock and finds them to be different from
those measured at rest then the experimental method is
obviously flawed.
In other words, if an experiment shows evidence of
something that is contrary to your expectations, then
something is wrong with the experiment. This coming from
someone "born with a scientific mind".
Even your own colleagues....the less ignorant
ones....agree that nothing actually happens to a clock or
rod as a result of a speed change.
Actually, what's agreed upon is that the physical property
does in fact change, but that no physical process occurs to
the object to change the property. You find it difficult to
imagine how one can happen without the other.
But, Clever Draper, that is a very specific zombie
imagination acquired after years of singing ("Divine
Einstein", "Yes we all believe in relativity, relativity,
relativity" etc.) accompanied by energetic convulsions. How
can you expect a person who has never taken part in all
those worships to imagine "that the physical property does
in fact change, but that no physical process occurs to the
object to change the property"? Be condescending, Clever
Draper!
Pentcho Valev
Oh, come, come, Pentcho, you know better! Momentum, velocity,
kinetic energy, electric field, magnetic field -- all these
are physical properties that in fact change with change in
reference frame, and there is no physical process acting on
the object to effect that change. For most of those, Galileo
and Newton knew that, and that was 300 years prior to anyone
even knowing who Einstein was, let alone singing songs about
him.
PD
Clever Draper what are you talking about. The travelling clock
returns PHYSICALLY different from the clock at rest (according
to Divine Albert's Divine Idiocy),
No, it doesn't. When it returns and is compared with the clock
at rest, the rates of the clocks are identical.
Don't lie, Clever Draper. When the travelling clock is compared
with the clock at rest, they are PHYSICALLY different (according
to Divine Albert's Divine Idiocy).
No, they show different rates when viewed from different reference
frames, but the clocks are physically identical. This is no
different than a car having a different kinetic energy when
viewed from a different reference frame, but it still being a
physically unchanged car.
It would help if you understood what Divine Albert actually said,
Pentcho.
Divine Albert said that, when the travelling clock returns, its
hands occupy different positions (compared with the hands of the
clock at rest).
Now that's what I call a PHYSICALLY different clock.
Paul said: "the rates of the clocks are identical".
He did not say: "the hands of the clock at are identical".
So, indeed, as I said, you don't understand the difference
between rates and values.
NO WAY OUT, PONCHO
But, Clever Moortel, you are going to confuse even Clever Draper - I
almost see his frustration. Just let him answer:
Valev: "The travelling clock returns PHYSICALLY different from the
clock at rest (according to Divine Albert's Divine Idiocy)."
Clever Draper: "No, it doesn't."
Clever Draper, if the hands of the travelling clock occupy different
positions (compared with the hands of the clock at rest) when it
returns, does this mean that the travelling clock returns PHYSICALLY
different from the clock at rest?
Pentcho Valev
No. Why would you think so?
Are you kiddin'?
The clocks are physically different.
The parts are still the same parts but the orientation changed.
When an orientation of parts changes, the parts of
the whole have changed position physically.
That is a physical change.
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