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Old January 7th 06, 04:46 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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Default why no true high resolution systems for "jetstream" seeing?

On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 16:16:24 GMT, "Frank Johnson"
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While it's true that webcams are doing wonders for certain types of seeing,
in many areas of the US during the Wintertime, the jetstream is constantly
overhead and even a webcam cannot undo this blurring. I keep reading about
these new adaptive optics scopes, like the new pro scope used for solar
imaging, which also incorporate speckle imaging and reconstruction- why
nothing for amateurs? Couldn't blurring of frames (caused by high
jetstreams) be deblurred or "reconstructed" so blurring is minimized. With
computers and the power they possess these days, I'm surprised there aren't
programs that can do this or maybe jetstream effects still can't be truly
nullified.


It simply isn't possible to do much along these lines with amateur
systems. Adaptive optics requires a reference object very close to the
target, and in almost all cases that object (if one exists at all) is
going to be dim. For this reference to be useful, you need to collect
enough photons to get out of the noise. Since detectors are already
nearly 100% efficient, the only way to get enough light is with a large
aperture. Adaptive optics starts becoming practical as apertures get in
the range of a meter, and larger is better. Obviously, this is well
outside what most would consider amateur optics.

The lack of available reference stars is another problem for amateurs.
Professional observatories can address this by making their own, using
lasers to excite atoms high in the atmosphere. But aside from cost,
shining such lasers at the sky requires special permits that pretty much
preclude their use by amateurs.

Finally, adaptive optics wouldn't provide much benefit to most amateurs
because it can only correct the field over a few arcseconds- much
smaller than typical observing or imaging fields. It is more a
scientific tool for examining very small zones at high resolution than
something useful for improving the aesthetics of an image or view.

Adaptive optics would really only be useful for most amateurs for
observing (or imaging) very small (or small areas) and very bright
objects- the Sun, Moon, and brighter planets. Right now, adaptive optics
are expensive enough to produce that there probably isn't enough market
for so limited a device to justify development. That might change in the
future, but don't expect to see anything useful for deep sky observing-
ever.

What may come around, assuming that low readout noise cameras become
generally available, is software that selects high quality short frames
and stacks them automatically. This is done already with planets, of
course, but doesn't work with dim objects. Unfortunately, as the size of
the field increases, the number of useable high resolution frames
decreases. It might take several hours to collect a few minutes worth of
data.

Deconvolution techniques can help to reconstruct distorted images, but
there is no certain way to determine just where any given photon came
from. Deconvolution is a sort of educated guess, but it frequently
produces invalid data- and there is no getting around that problem.

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Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com