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Old July 21st 07, 03:38 PM posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,sci.skeptic,sci.space.policy,rec.arts.mystery
Ian Parker
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Default Antigravity - The fraud of the 20th century.

Gravity in terms of general relativity is thought of as a curvature in
space time which leads to accelerations of objects along a geodesic.
Experimentally gravity and inertia are equivalent to an extremely high
accuracy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E%C3%B6...B6s_experiment
Eotvos is now over 100 years old and since his time experiments have
been performed. Now an accuracy of 10^-11 has been achieved.

http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/eotvos.htm

This reference outlines various forces in nature and explains how
inertia and gravity might not be the same. As you can see the accuracy
of recent experiments is well within the expected variations, if real.
If antigravity were to be real in any sense it would mean warping
space time. None of the methods proposed seem to do this. To warp a
gravitational field you need negative mass. Negative mass is needed to
do such things as stabilization of a wormhole. Has negative mass been
discovered? If it were then the secret world of such places as area 51
would have discovered something that has eluded mainstream Physics.
Mainstream Physics talks about 74% of the Universe being dark energy.
Nobody knows what this dark energy is, and no experiment performed so
far has given any real indication.

http://www.americanantigravity.com/gravitywaves.shtml
I have a real difficulty with this. If 11kw of gravitational wave
energy really were being generated it would show up on LIGO.
We then try to detect gravitational waves. If there is a connection
the mirrors must move. You should have a frequency such that the
mirrors are approximately a radian apart.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en...+or+arms&meta=
http://www.ligo.caltech.edu/
I think you should look at these websites carefully. The equipment is
amazingly sensitive. If your electromagnetic assembly is indeed
creating gravitational waves at any level, they will be found. In fact
you could say, in many ways that this would be a definitive
experiment. If the Japanese mirrors do NOT move then all antigravity
concepts are in deep trouble since there can be no electromagnetic
link.

Interestingly LIGO itself has written a short piece on what they thing
they are going to detect.
http://www.ligo.caltech.edu/docs/P/P980001-00.pdf
It is a very interesting website.
Expected sources of gravitational waves that LIGO may see [1] [2]
include the in- spiral and coalescence of compact binary star systems
made up of neutron stars and/or black holes, supernovae that develop
non-axisymmmetric instabilities in the process of collapse and
rotating neutron stars that are non-axisymmetric. LIGO will also
search for stochastic gravitational waves that are remnants of the big
bang.

Note nothing about Area 51 despite the fact that it is only just over
2000km from Hanford. The other sources are much further away, the Big
Bang being 13.7 billion light years away. If there was one shred of
truth about antigravity.

The other interesting fact lies in the other observatories will give
an indication of the direction of any disturbance, so that if we get a
supernova explosion the rough direction can be deduced. LIGO has in
fact been operating for some time. So fat no definitive detection of
gravitational waves, still early days though, there has certainly been
nothing from Area 51. Whatever else is going on there there can be no
antigravity.

There appears to be a divergence between the military and mainstream
Science. Janes is a normally reliable source. It generally gets its
information from "off the record" briefings by senior military
officers.
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegas..._for_Real.html
Wherever did the information come from? Not from Hanford to be sure!

ANTIGRAVITY AS FRAUD
What do the advocates of antigravity think about LIGO. Are they
queuing up to demonstrate that they can in fact move LIGO's mirrors.
Not a bit of it! This to me puts it on the same level as
creationalism. It is nothing other than a gigantic fraud which has got
no scientific basis at all.

Hollywood has made a film about one spectacular fraudster who
pretended to be an airline pilot and got a large number of free plane
rides.
http://www.amazon.com/Catch-Me-If-You-Can/dp/0767905385
http://www.dreamworks.com/catchthem/jump2.html
I sometimes wonder whether a film could not be made about antigravity.
http://proutnewsnetwork.org/NWO/files/vril.html
This would be tremendous! The problem is that after WW2 the allies
captured all the key Nazis. Recently declassified CIA documents show
that people who had expertise were taken on regardless of their
record.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...060601555.html
deals with intelligence agents.
http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/site/pp....MVIuG&b=395159 Deals
with the question more generally.
The CIA obviously swallowed accounts of Vril aircraft and antigravity.
http://www.eyepod.org/images/L_Vril1-01_1_.gif
Indeed there are pictures of such aircraft. The claim of 2900km/h 5˝hr
in 1944 seems grossly exaggerated to say the least. Yet they appear to
have been swallowed whole. In fact the Germans would have won the war
had they possessed aircraft with a fraction of that performance.
Nobody seems to have twigged that. They were hoping to test it in 1944
if not earlier.

ROSWELL - THE TRUTH
What about Little Green Men? As Simon Wiesenthal says, when war
criminals were being prosecuted at Nuremberg and Tokyo it would not do
to admit that war criminals were in your service. Thus the story had
to be that an alien UFO had crashed. The basic absurdity of this story
has become apparent with the advance of our own technology.

What is the truth. Well the original source of all of what I term
science fiction purporting to be science fact and conspiracy theory
stems from the Nazi Order of the Black Sun http://www.greatdreams.com/solar/black-sun.htm
This was very influential in Nazi circles. They had weird beliefs
about Science and antigravity in particular. You could propel yourself
with a resonance with Aldebaron. They produced aircraft which
purported to fly at incredible speeds. The Vril was supposed to travel
for 12,000km at 2900km/h. The truth was of course that flying saucers
were built, they worked completely aerodynamically using v^2/r to
generate a vacuum. They flew, but not very well. They were chronically
unstable and were never practical VTOL designs. In fact the helicopter
flew a lot better (and faster!).

However the CIA swallowed the Black Sun whole, proceeded to concoct a
story of aliens and found they had been sold a pup. Having been sold a
pup Area 51 had to concoct other stories. Ah well we are working with
alien technology, this is incredibly advanced - we are only just
managing to sort it out.

The traditional Roswell account is very much is tune with 1950s SF.
Now we are talking about AI and miniaturization. The presence of ET,
at any rate in the Roswell form, is a total impossibility. If Area 51
has got alien technology it has made remarkably little use of it.
Alien technology would in fact have involved advanced computing and
AI.

The simple fact of the matter is that the secret world never saw fit
to consult any reputable scientists. No reputable scientist ever saw
the Nazi flying saucers. That is why the bought a pup. I am cross
posting to rec.arts.mystery it is without question the fraud of the
century, or rather last century. Hitler swallowed everything whole,
the aircraft were (probably, the V1s and V2s were) constructed with
slave labour. The secret world did not consult reputable scientists,
if they had the Black Sun would have gone straight to Nuremberg.

In subsequent years antigravity has been a subject that will not go
away. No aircraft has flown with antigravity, yet the topic refuses to
die. I would have expected an aircraft travelling at 2900 km/h and a
range of 12,000km by 1950 at the latest, and that the absence of such
an aircraft would lead to questions being asked, but apparently not.
Money has kept on being spent between the end of WW2 and the present
day. In fact antigravity has come to be a blanket term under which all
novel aviation concepts are bracketed. Obviously no LIGO as they are
known from the start not to be antigravity.
http://www.americanantigravity.com/d...er-Article.pdf

This is from the American ANTIGRAVITY website. There is however no
mention in this article of anything other than normal aerodynamic
forces.

There seems to be a widespread perception that Area 51 knows things
that mainstream science does not. I think it is in its interest to
give that impression. It all serves to boost funds. That is of course
part of the gigantic fraud and I believe that it is a fraud that is
extremely damaging to the reputation of mainstream science. I
sometimes wonder whether all these people with doubts about the theory
of Relativity are influenced by Area 51 and its disinformation. It has
even crossed my mind that they are professional disinformers
themselves.

Are we alone in the Universe? Is there, or has there been at any time
an extraterrestrial presence? I believe that these are important
questions. I feel that such episodes as Roswell hinder us in our
search for rational answers.



- Ian Parker
LIGO cannot detect the Black Sun. It can however detect two orbiting
each other.