On Mar 15, 1:20*am, "G. L. Bradford" wrote:
"BURT" wrote in message

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Stephen Hawking said the stupidist thing. That in order to survive as
a species we need to live on the Moon as ur population grows. I say
ask how much of Earth's resources it would take to set Stephen Hawking
in a house on the Moon? and what about someplace farther?

No. This is just insane.

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* A concentration camp world is far more insane as well as far more
volatile. [At large life] prospers, and thus the same [at large life]
survives, through going nova into new space and time frontiers; through
division, birth, expansionism and growth. Writers long ago wrote about the
mind, particularly the mass mind or mass genius, enlarging in a vastness of
"raw, alien and tough frontier (meeting the tests)," enlarging due to
enlarged resources of masses and energies, spaces and times, possibilities
and opportunities. Genius and mass genius enlarging within the enlarged
dimensions of frontier universe and resource.

* History has already proved many times that mass genius and dynamic
civilization goes away -- breaks up internally; splinters internally -- in
any environment cut off from vastnesses of spatial frontiers. Increasingly
mindless mobs rule, double edged swords ready at any moment to stampede
bloodily over failing rulers and ruling states as well as over each other
(in and of their own more local constant failures and disorders, closed
systemic constant complications, confusions, and finally mind snapping anger
at all the relentlessly increasing "zero tolerance" tyrannies (both natural
and artificial)). Man is more diverse within its own species than is all the
rest of life on Earth in all its billions to trillions of species.
Ultimately it is as diverse as matter and anti-matter ([apparently] of the
same mind until coming together in a shrinking world, a shrinking box,
expanding, growing, states of tyranny).

* No matter how alien the outside world, the infant inside the womb develops
[space age] mass and energy, limbs and organs, structures and
infrastructure, to birth, expand, grow, into it. It develops needs and
wants, particular those needs of more space and mass and energy resource,
the womb can no longer satisfy. But some infants are so stupid as to try to
use all its space age stuff to somehow evolve to perfect itself in the womb
to fit itself to the womb indeterminately regarding time...to make "a better
world" rather than proceed in due time to birth, expand, grow, into the
outside universe (to go nova into the universe).

* I'm not talking about the Moon or Mars for the place of such birthing,
expansion and growth. I'm talking about cellular structure and
infrastructure. Vast numbers of space island colonies spreading from the
interior regions of the solar system to the far exterior regions. Vast
numbers of general purpose stations, specialized facilities, and space
ships, boats and work pods. And the vastness of the solar system's mass
resources....as well as the [utterly spread vastness] of its energy resource
making them all possible. Before the [horizontal] expansion into all this
would be well underway, we would already be reaching [vertically] for
interstellar space. It does not take completeness in one space frontier
before the means and reach into the next can be and will be begun.
Interstellar space is always close by, being perpendicular to the majority
plane of interplanetary and outer clouds' space. Taking the route of the
plane of the solar system's disk (interplanetary through outer clouds'
[edge] space) to reach interstellar space is to take by far the longest path
to it (by far the longest path to anywhere in it). It's the route to
interstellar space (by way of Mars, Jupiter, Saturn....) always taken in the
movies, by fools!

* Again, it does not take completeness in one space frontier before the
means and reach into the next can be and will be begun.

* As for the beginning colonies and other beginning structures and vessels
in space, it would not take more than trace salting of certain resource
elements from Earth to provide L-point orbiting island colonies (with
ultimately far more surface area than Earth has in far, far, far, less
volume) with all their beginning needs that the Moon and nearest Earth /
Moon passing asteroids might not readily provide in quantities needed. Much
of it would be coming back down the shute to Earth from the L-point orbiting
colonies as farm, fishery, forestry, and countless other types of everyday
goods (these the majority of goods; in addition to some new higher tech
types of goods). They will also provide Earth orbital services to Earth from
the higher frontier outside, including orbital cleanup operations.

* They will also want the world's developing mountains of garbage. For
awhile in the beginning, all the trash-resource Earth can send out.

* And everything, every bit of the above, will pay. Increasingly energetic
returns of expansionist-growth frontier, including in the New Frontier the
Old World, over relentlessly diminishing returns of Earth alone. Money is
nothing more nor less than a [token] of energy. The less energy, the more
worthless the token; worthless money and exchange, more volatility to the
human and the great mass of humanity.

GLB

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The concentration camp of Eden is getting kind of maxed out, so
perhaps our Selene/moon isn't such a bad idea or insurmountable as for
providing our best off-world option as our ultimate go-between.
However, the Selene/moon L1 would be a whole lot better option,
especially along with the LSE-CM/ISS.

~ BG