"For to the earth planetary motions appear sometimes direct, sometimes
stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun they are
always seen direct" Newton

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ima...2000_tezel.gif

With actual images in front of you,it is almost impossible to miss
where Newton's approach to and resolution of retrogrades is wrong and
no center of learning,however respected, can alter that.I have no
allegiance to the empirical cult which grew up around Newton so as far
as I am concerned,whatever effects it has in the institutional
community,I have no stake in the matter and trying to shoot the
messenger is hardly a response.

Hi
I'm still trying to figure out what your point is. What Newton said
was correct,

That's the problem,Newton's view of retrograde motion and how that
apparent motionis resolved is incorrect -

"For to the earth planetary motions appear sometimes direct,
sometimes stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun
they are always seen direct" Newton

It has no precedence in heliocentric reasoning for retrograde motion
is an apparent backward motion of a planet which is resolved by the
actual motion of the Earth overtaking the outer planets -

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ima...2000_tezel.gif

There are instances where the human mind cannot process observations
even when resolutions are staring people in the face ,the variance
between the original Copernican approach where the motion of the Earth
is inferred in resolving retorgrades and Newton's silly view based on
a hypothetical observer on the Sun.Even the added weight of explaining
the daily cycle using observation from an axially moving Earth does
not appear to alter the 'hypothetical observer on the Sun' view of
Newton but such deficiencies lie outside my ability to explain why
people choose the false view.




as shown from the web page you pointed to. I see no contrdiction in
what he said.
I'm also trying to figure out why the choice of measuring time
relative to the
seasons is wrong. Most all human activity is tied to the seasons.
I've read many of your post and all I seem to see is "they were
wrong" and
nothing to state what is right.

I do not dwell on who is wrong but prefer to show how the Earth
behaves as it orbits the Sun drawn from actual observations of another
planet,in this case Uranus -

http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/arc...99/11/video/b/

Axial rotation is one thing while the change in the Equatorial
orientation of the ring with respect to the Sun is an orbital
component.It means that there is a 360 degree orbital component which
the axial rotation of the Earth tends to disguise while the unique
rotational orientation of Uranus along with the Equatorial ring
exposes the new orbital component wonderfully.This replaces the
pseudo-dynamic of variable axial/equatorial tilt which was first
proposed by Copernicus to explain the seasons -

"..the equator and the earth's axis must be understood to have a
variable inclination. For if they stayed at a constant angle, and were
affected exclusively by the motion of the center, no inequality of
days and nights would be observed." Copernicus Chapter 11 De
Revolutionibus



I know why we have seasons. I know why siderial time is different. I
know why
there are leap seconds. I know why what Newton said is correct.
What is your story?
Dwight

I have no idea why you choose to believe in things which have no basis
in direct observations and especially in this era when it is possible
to look down at the Earth from space or learn lessons from time lapse
footage of the other planets.I know you cannot show me what the
motions of the planets look like from the Sun to resolve retrogrades
while at the same time explaining the daily cycle of the Earth,that
alone is enough to demonstrate why the majority of people no longer
know that the Earth orbits the Sun let alone be familiar with the
reasoning behind heliocentric motion.

Not a single person here supports the reasoning of Copernicus and
surely this accounts for the dismal situation 500 years later where
the majority of people now beleive the Sun orbits the Earth -

http://www.maniacworld.com/pitiful-a...game-show.html

You all now,unfortunately,have the same look as the contestant on the
game show,oblivious to the Copernican reasoning behind the acceptance
of the Earth's orbital motion by people like Kepler and Galileo.I
would dearly love for one of the major institutions to move towards a
more stable position of astronomers but so far I have yet to see the
required aptitude to acknowledge what is correct from what is not.