On 20 Jul., 14:15, "Mark N." wrote:
On Jul 19, 4:36 am, Rudolf Drabek wrote:

who has made the rules?

To understand the answer to this question, you should phrase it as
"What caused the law of cause and effect?"

In order to be a genuine cause, the cause must precede the effect. For
the law of cause and effect to have a cause, that cause must have
existed before there was a law of cause and effect. But if there is no
law of cause and effect, then the "cause" is not really related to the
"effect" in any causal sense. Which means that the "cause" of the law
of cause and effect didn't really cause it. So what caused the law of
cause and effect?

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I don't agree. I was an el. design engineer, now retired. I f we
started a new project, we analyzed what to do without a cause. Despite
the cause, that the Comm. dept. asked for a new product.
But sometimes we offered the Comm.Dept. a new product also, without a
request from them.
So in such cases the cause is something that has nothing to do with
the laws of nature/effect.
In that environment I worked, cause and effect e.g. is not necessary
or applicable.
And I only want to generalize this. But you are free not to accept
this argumentation.