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Old January 21st 19, 11:09 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Gerald Kelleher
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Default Referencing our planet to the Sun

Perhaps the one issue which distinguishes the astronomy I practice from celestial sphere enthusiasts is that I incorporate the inner solar system and the central Sun rather than restricting the view to the distant stars as the original Sun centred astronomers did or worse still, the motion of the stars in stellar circumpolar motion which tries to reference the Earth's rotation to 'above' and the local horizon .

The planet's two distinct rotations are referenced to the Sun as separate day/night cycles (daily and polar) and likewise the direct/retrogrades of the faster moving planets where their back and forth motions in front and then behind the Sun departs from the attempt to link them to the celestial sphere of stars belonging to theorists since the late 17th century.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VVCiPp67vI&t=206s

For those who can't accept what is in front of them there is no redemption, nothing to enjoy or see but only an endless biting eating other in a hell of their own intellectual pretense. It ends for those who do appreciate what imaging does and they go on to share in the great journey of life as men.