On May 4, 4:48*pm, BradGuth wrote:
On May 4, 1:55*pm, " wrote:





On May 4, 1:42*pm, wrote:

Atheism and Evidence

The problem with the realist/superstitious
controversy (as opposed to the secularism/
faith debate... which is strictly speaking
one of a political power-struggle over who
will direct society), is that THERE REALLY
IS NO GOD. Therefore a statement like the
one above ["there is no god"] always resolves
to a merely/purely personal testimony!!!

* e.g. how in the heck can the atheist "KNOW"
* there is no god IF HE'S NEVER FOUND HIM!
* At worst, the atheist is doomed to an eternity
* of futilely looking for Him... "Found Him yet?"
* "... not yet. Still looking, though--"

The opposite, of course, is also just as true.
In other words, "there is a god" also resolves
to a merely/purely personal testimony:

Ask such a believer how he/she KNOWS there
is a god and they're likely to tell you "because
the flowers bloom in the spring" or some such
nonsense. Well, "No. That's manu Manure,
not god, is why the flowers bloom in the spring,
plus more Sun, et al."

The problem here is self-evident then:

* If the believer KNOWS there is a god
* he/she hath killed FAITH (in god). [The
* only upside here is that maybe he/she
* had a nice brunch with Him ...]

What both "witnesses" are saying is:
Believer: "I KNOW there is a god!"
Atheist: "I KNOW there is no god."

And both testimonies are equivalent: lies.

My advice is to study the brain's ultimate
function--which is to solve problems, to
overcome them. [And yet there are so many
problems in the world which no human brain
will ever solve/overcome... both simple
and complex (problems) too.]

So I wonder what might result from the
human brain not being able to overcome
all those unresolvable problems which
God now resolves so easily via a simple
transaction (prayer by another name).

I often tell people how "I know there is
no god but I still pray to him" and they tell
me they have no idea what I'm talking about.
(Which is incomprehensible to me, of course,
since THAT is the universal experience!)

Well, I have often spoken with persons who
swear to me (by God) they are truly atheists.
But then we get around to what's going on in
his/her brain when driving towards a distant
green light ... on a morning when they are very
late for a very important appointment ...

And then they know what I'm talking about:
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* Only a "robot" can be a true atheist--the rest
* of us are forever bound to a personal dialogue
* with with our universal alter-ego (GOD).
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God is a very neat invention of the human brain.

God is no invention ; *there isnt a person on earth who doesnt know ,
intrinsically, that a personal Designer/Creator is necessary for what
we have before us (and inside us for that matter) . *If you as 'an
atheist' *believe that a personal Designer/Creator isnt necessary then
you have to resort to the absolute absurd desperate philosophy that
the scientifically verified 250+ *Physics Constants of our Universe
AKA: Anthropics which are so meticulously finetuned it is near
incomprehensible , which are ALL needed SIMULTANEOUSLY (since each
depends on one another for their own sustainence) *... just happened
to come along by purely natural and accidental means . There isnt one
person who calls himself 'an atheist' *who can force himself to really
believe this because it just requires too much faith in the absurd
because we all know what constitutes a Designer . * When this dilemna
is brought before the willful 'atheist' , his only option is to try to
avoid the issue/take the granduer of Creation for granted day after
day/ and-or *resort to personal attacks of the Messenger *who brought
it to light. (if there are any replies to this post of mine, it will
bear out what ive just asserted *). * Ergo, *the atheist is faced with
the age old question ... Why dont you want God to exist for you
personally ? *. It isnt due to lack of evidence thats for sure, so,
we can hence speculate what such reason(s) might be if you like and if
it isnt too uncomfortable to do so . *As a former 'atheist'., thats
what I had to come to terms with. *Regards.

I can buy into ET ID, because not much of anything else makes sense.
At the very least complex microbes and spores via panspermia came into
our environment, and from time to time are still arriving (most
recently from Venus).

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So then there is an Intelligent source for first life which can only
come from personal Intelligent Beings ? Where did the Intelligent
Beings come from ?