"kT" wrote in message ...
Sorcerer Androcles wrote:
"Jonathan" wrote in message ...
Just after the first moon landing, Sept 16 1969, Neil Armstrong
stood before a Joint Session of Congress and stated....


"Several weeks ago I enjoyed the warmth of reflection on the
true meanings of the spirit of Apollo. I stood in the highlands
of this Nation, near the Continental Divide, introducing to
my sons the wonders of nature, and pleasures of looking for
deer and for elk. In their enthusiasm for the view they frequently
stumbled on the rocky trails, but when they looked only
to their footing, they did not see the elk. To those of you
who have advocated looking high we owe our sincere
gratitude, for you have granted us the opportunity to see
some of the grandest views of the Creator.
To those of you who have been our honest critics, we also
thank, for you have reminded us that we dare not forget
to watch the trail."


The lesson of Apollo, according to Armstrong, appears clear.
That our space program should be a balance between pure
discovery and tangible benefits to mankind.

After Apollo, the US manned program appeared to follow
that lesson by building reusable 'space-trucks' in order
to build an ambitious space station. Even if the first
attempt at lowering costs to orbit fell short, it should at least
lay the ground work for future more practical spacecraft.
Which could allow the space program to fullfill its destiny
of generating world-changing solutions to our future
global problems.

But in the last couple of years, we decided to abandon
all that. No 'new and improved' reusable spacecraft are to
be built. The space station no longer has any science
goals to fullfill or even a purpose for existing.

Apollo on Steriods.

The only reason 'they' can produce for repeating Apollo
is that "the sky might fall". That colonies on the moon
and mars will save mankind from acts of God, or acts
of our own ignorance. Either reason clearly demonstrates
a complete lack of Faith in either God, or in humanity.

Yet the Nasa administrator gives this reason for
going back to the moon.

"But no society can reasonably predict that a given venture
will prove to be worth its cost. Sponsorship of such a quest
is always an act of faith, not an act of science."
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=20189


He states that our scientific goals should NOT be based
on scientific reasoning. But on Faith, and from an agency
that has no Faith, not in even science.

INCREDIBLE!

The only Faith demonstrated by our Space Agency is that
their very expensive projects will be spread around enough
and to those that matter to ensure its continued funding.

Nasa has Faith in only political corruption as a means
to complete their "Vision". "Hurry up" is Nasa's mantra
now, hurry up and build the moon ships before they
change their minds.

Nasa has a greater responsibility than to simply follow
their marching orders. They also have a duty to give
sound advice to Congress and the people in the
best use of their abilities. They have a duty to follow
their charter.

But that is not the case. Nasa is lying to Congress and
the American people, as demonstrated below, in order
to justify a goal for our space program that benefits
only Big Corporations and powerful politicians.

An agency that ignores its own charter, which instructs
Nasa, among other things, to care for our biosphere and
our future energy needs, should be disbanded.

Nowhere in this charter are colonies even mentioned.
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/amendact.htm

An agency dependent upon, and devoted to, corruption
should be disbanded. And replaced with a clean sheet.
Nasa has abandoned the last thirty years, it has
abandoned the spirit of space exploration.
It has abandoned the American people.

We should abandon Nasa.

Of course, the American taxpayer may benefit someday
from this "Vision". That is, if someday the sky should
happen to fall, a few select astronauts will be able to
gaze upon the earth from their distant colonies, and
watch us all die.



Jonathan


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Gallup Organization issues unusual 'video rebuttal' to Nasa
Administrator Griffin and his claim of public support for
Moon/Mars missions.
.... link below


How many times have we heard Nasa and Griffin claim that
some 3/4ths of the public support sending people back to the
Moon and to Mars?


The poll they quote was commissioned by the
Coalition for Space Exploration, which is a lobbyist
front for the following corporations, among them...
http://www.spacecoalition.com/


ATK Thiokol
The Boeing Company
Lockheed Martin
Northrop Grumman
Honeywell
Pratt & Whitney
Raytheon


The USA Today/CNN/Gallup poll question the contractor lobbyist
group used follows.


"In January 2004, a new plan or goal for space exploration was
announced. The plan includes a stepping-stone approach to return
the space shuttle to flight, complete assembly of the space station
build a replacement for the shuttle, go back to the Moon, and then
on to Mars and beyond. If NASA's new budget did not exceed
one percent of the federal budget, to what extent would you
support or oppose this new plan for space exploration?"'
http://www.spacecoalition.com/Press%20Releases.cfm

To disagree with this statement, one would have to ...oppose
ever flying the shuttle again, ...oppose completing the ISS
...oppose a shuttle replacement, ...support an 'all at once'
approach and ...support higher Nasa budgets.

It's difficult to imagine a more biased or loaded poll question.

Yet Griffin cites this poll to Congress.

"Recent and very specific public opinion surveys do in fact
show a broad consensus in support of our new goals in space.
Assuming that funding levels for NASA do not exceed one percent
of the budget - and we should be so fortunate - fully three-fourths
of the American people support the goals of the Vision.
http://www.nasawatch.com/archives/20...ffins_s_1.html


"Have you stopped beating your wife ...questions"
....Mike Griffin


In an rare rebuttal of Griffin's use of this biased poll, Gallup
issued this video reponse showing the true level of public support
for the Vision.
http://www.galluppoll.com/videoArchive/?ci=17596&pg=


I would have to agree with Griffin's statement in the video
that 'you can get almost any answer you like' with polls
in how they are worded. But it should be clear that it's Nasa
and Griffin that are playing the word game, and
loose with the truth.

To go from 75% support to 40% can't be called a generous
spin, it has to called what it is. The Big Lie!

By claiming large public support in sworn statements, when
the facts show ..."negative"... public support is
the Big Lie.

Now get off the world wide web, it uses commercial satellites

Er ... no ... mostly it uses undersea cables.

HAHAHA!
Ever seen one of these, or are you still living in 1907?
http://www.lamit.ro/images/satellite-dish-lamit-hub.jpg
How about one of these?
http://www.benelec.com.au/AVL_GPS_Products/02944308.htm
or one of these?
http://www.drgibson.com/towers/milfordsun300.jpg
Err... no..
HAHAHAHA!

Bye-bye, ****wit.
*plonk*