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GatherNoMoss wrote:
No...that's not quite what I mean.
I'm saying that how the brain functions, solveing the questions as to
what the nature of intelligence is, will also tell us how the universe
works and why.
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A UNIVERSE THAT HAS BUILT WITHIN ITS OWN LAWS OF FUNCTION THE TENDENCY
TO CREATE ENTITIES THAT CONTEMPLATES ITSELF (universe) SIMPLY BLOWS MY
MIND !
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Forget space exploration......it's all in the mind.
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Well, to understand the brain, we need to understand biology and
chemistry. So the sciences that understand the outside world have their
role.



In other words, to understand the system, we must first understand
the components? You talk of mathematics, so let's frame this
discussion in the abstract.


Also, it's not clear that the Universe has laws in it which _directly_
bring about mind. It is enough that its laws permit life to arise.


So your frame of reference would be that the laws of the physical
universe allow for, or explain, the evolution of life.
This assumes the fundamental properties of the physical universe
and of life are best displayed by the simplest or lowest level of
order the universe has to offer. For instance, the four forces
and so on, serve as the starting point to understand more
complex order such as life and intelligence.

Unfortunately, that frame of reference is in error.
The reverse is true.

The fundamental properties of the universe are best displayed
by the highest or most complex order the universe has to offer.
Such as life or it's greatest order, the mind.

Or more generally, the abstract mathematics of Darwinian evolution
explain the ....physical ....universe. Not the other way around
as has been /assumed/ from day one. An erroneous assumption
based on necessity, that it's easier to model simplicity than
complexity, so that's where we started.

WRONG!

With the computer age we don't have to make that assumption anymore.

Let me give just one tangible example of what I mean, and the significance
of this simple frame of reference error.

A market force only exists in association with the whole, not with
the components. So your reductionist, simplicity driven frame, will
NOT see such a force or recognize it's fundamental role.

A market force self tunes the whole to the optimum.
Just like natural selection. Just like the fundamental
forces self tune to allow a universe. The cosmic
coincidence problem, where all the fundamental
constants are ...just right. None are coincidences
but are the result of self organized criticality
self tuning to the optimum.

An entire cyclic cosmology based on these ideas
by a founder of inflationary theory.

A quintessential introduction to dark energy
http://www.physics.princeton.edu/~steinh/steinhardt.pdf

The self tuning or organizing force for the universe has it's source
in the higher level system order. They provide the non ergodic path
the universe follows from the simple to the complex.
This is not a random path towards higher order, but
an inevitable path towards higher order driven by random
interactions.

Which a review of random boolean networks show.

These....system properties....are not evident in the parts
AND are fundamental to the universe.
The concepts of self organizing systems apply to the physical
realm as well. Which means that physical systems will
self tune to just the right conditions for life to evolve.

Reversing the initial frame provides a seamless view from
geology to biology.

Exploring the mind first, not last, is the path to deriving fundamental
law and a grand unified theory.

This new math is here.

http://necsi.org/publications/dcs/index.html
http://www.calresco.org/sos/sosfaq.htm



Living creatures reproduce themselves. One way a living creature can
obtain an advantage over other forms of life is by becoming more
complex and versatile. We already know how this can happen, such as
through the symbiosis of different types of bacteria that created the
eukaryotic cell, or through the doubling-up of genes that is a
recurring theme of plant evolution.

There is much in the Universe to be understood. How stars work, or what
sub-components exist within the proton or neutron, are not matters that
can be answered solely by studying the brain.


They can be answered by understanding life, the most complex the
universe has to offer....Darwin is the path to understanding the
physical universe. NOT the other way around.




Nor, for that matter, will a study of the brain be likely to supersede
much of mathematics: will it answer the question of the Riemann
hypothesis, or tell us about which answer to the continuum hypothesis
lets us extend axiomatic set theory to embrace what we normally think
of as sets?


"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain,
as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality."
ALbert Einstein

Your mathematics is consistant only with itself, and not with
reality. The new math I speak of is the reverse.



No; although mathematics is a fruit of the mind, it has to
be studied as itself, not as it is buried within the capabilities of
our brains.


Reality has some of the following properies.

Effects are not proportional to cause.
Nothing ever repeats itself
Nothing can be known exactly


Our mathematics, if it's to model reality, needs to
have the same properites of reality.
You start with a particle, or a relationship, with simplicity
We start with a cloud, chaos and complexity.

Our math begins where yours finds it's inevitable
brick walls. Almost all of modern science, that
still clings to this ancient assumption regarding
order, still exists in the Dark Ages.

For order or complexity, there are /two/ minimums, and
one maximum.

solid, liquid and gas

hint, the complex (fluids) are a result of the interplay
of the simple opposite extremes.

static, dynamic and chaotic
Newton, thermodynamics, quantum
matter, light, energy
genetics, selection, mutation
math, art, religion

Truth, Beauty and Love.

All can be understood, rigorously, with the new
mathematics. Which look at the whole, to
understand the parts.




John Savard