On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 6:58:01 AM UTC-6, Paul Schlyter wrote:

On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 07:34:50 -0700 (PDT), Gary Harnagel
wrote:

On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 11:14:29 PM UTC-6, Paul Schlyter
wrote:

On Sat, 15 Sep 2018 09:53:03 -0700 (PDT), Gary Harnagel
wrote:

No, it is NEVER ignored by science.

NEVER? You are sounding like an absolutist. :-)

That's the very definition of science. If you ignore available
evidence, you are not doing science.

Evidence is NOT SUPPOSED to be ignored, but it has happened many
times in the past and may be happening as we communicate.

But again, anyone ignoring evidence is not doing science.

Those who ARE "ignoring science" have credentials that say they are
scientists.

You don't seem to object to that.

Why would you believe that?

And that's a good thing since "dogma" is a creation of man, not
of God.

God is also a creation of man, in a failed attempt to understand
the world.

Where were you when I presented the alien civilizations hypothesis?

I must have missed your presentation of "flying saucer religion",
sorry about that. Perhaps you should read some of Däniken's books?

Straw man claim. Maybe you should go back in the thread a bit and
read/reread what I ACTUALLY wrote rather than just make disparaging
remarks.

And why would "human behavior apply to aliens?

Intelligent behaviour must apply to at least those aliens who are
able to reveal their existence to us.

"Intelligent" is in the mind of the beholder. What WE consider
intelligent they might consider pure folly.

The objective criterion here would be the ability to do interstellar
communication or travel. E.g. mold is utterly incapable of doing
that, even if other mold would consider mold intelligent.

Travel, yes. Communication? Not so much.

But to those aliens who are happy to remains on their planet of
origin and who we know nothing about until we eventuellt travel to
them, this does of course not apply.

I believe the galaxy and the universe has a large population, likely
in a uniform civilization, except for the johnny-come-latelies like
ourselves. If that's true, then we won't be allowed to interfere
with other developing cultures.

And what if it is false? Beliefs can be wrong.

As I have discussed previously, the statistics are with me .. to many 9's.

This is YOUR dogma. Many, many people have had such
experiences.
They are quite common. My grandmother did, my aunt did, as well
as other members of my family. You, of course, would label such
things as hallucinations or tricks of the mind, but doing so
just exposes your ...

But of course, many people will have lots of experience with
human creations, and God is no exception to that. The religious
experience does exist, no question about that. However, the
existence of the object of worship is much more doubtful...

I think the problem comes about because people try to put God in a
box. He MUST have these attributes, He MUST have these
characteristics, etc.

Would you consider a powerless creature which soon will die to be
God?

What in the world would make you believe a member of a civilization
billions of years old would have to die? Just look ahead to our own
civilization and extrapolate it a few thousand years.

we think everything in this universe has to conform to our
paradigm of what makes sense. Do you have any idea how arrogant
that view is and on how little of this universe we base it?
-- Robert Buettner

Also, in Genesis, one word translated as "God" is Elohim, which
is a plural.

Interesting. You've just acknowledged that Christianity is a
polytheistic religion.

Well, we both did when we pointed out the Father, Son and Holy
Ghost :-)
However, polytheism typically envisions various gods at odds with
one another. Christianity, OTOH, has them in full agreement,
working in perfect harmony.

Satan is also a part of the Christian pantheon. Is Satan and God in
perfekt harmoni with one another?

It is important for our development that there be opposition. Of course,
not everyone will be admitted through the "Pearly Gates." This is a
basic teaching of Christianity.