Forgot to mention, it's an oil and blood sucking sprint to the
finish. WWIII will just be another reminder that our "no child left
behind" as our national policy of being dumbfounded past the point of
no return, has been working like a charm.
. - Brad Guth


On May 7, 1:18 pm, BradGuth wrote:
The scammy likes of “Williamknowsbest” (aka William Mook) isn’t
fooling anyone by his “I have two facilities under construction in
Indonesia that each are planned to produce 200,000 barrels per day. I
am selling 20 forward contracts from each of the two facilities that
are under constrution in Indonesia.” Besides the obvious misspelled/
typo “constrution”, notice as to the “each are planned to produce”
qualifier, or rather disqualifier. Otherwise, what is it about an
offshore investment in Indonesia that can be trusted any better than a
line of supposed credit with the Bank of Nigeria?

According to lord Mook and his DARPA friends; Anyplace on Earth
becomes livable and otherwise survivable if you can afford it. Well
lo and behold, that seems to be the prevailing problem for most of us
that can’t hardly afford to keep what we’ve got, much less obtain
whatever’s necessary for tomorrow. It’s gotten way past whatever pay-
back time, and it’s not looking good if the likes of private
competitive energy is not being allowed to emerge, or much less given
public incentives for their R&D efforts by way of matching dollars.
What we’re stuck with is having to import finished fuel products
because our oil and coal refinery cartel is either ENRON sick beyond
the point of no return, or sticking with their New World Order as
their one and only plan of action.

However, no matters how rich and powerful you are, it takes fire to
fight fire, mostly in the form of many ICEs burning off loads of
fossil derived energy that’s getting spendier and even bloodier by the
hour. Electrical powered technology, unless using RTGs or via synfuel
along with h2o2 created, stored and distributed by way of renewable
energy that’s in surplus, isn’t going to fight any significant fire
for long. Perhaps creating a multitude of km tall water towers, say
at least one for each and every 100 square miles that could also be
used as terrific solar energy collectors, as well as each hosting a
250 meter diameter wind turbine would start to make sense.

On May 7, 7:56 am, (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:

Jeff If all I had was my dog Rudy I would be a happy camper. Got my
conversion van up to snuff. You know Progress Energy Mafia over billed
me to the tune of 750 bucks, and will not pay this fraudulent bill. Will
be turning my water off this week. Even a mother just having a baby that
needs warm bath water they would leave with no power.(Claire Recinello)
What chance do I have. Progress Energy billing is fraudulent as proven
by chanel 9 news Instead of returning $146,000,000 they are with the
help of Florida Governor Charie Crist making people like me pay these
overcharged bills. I wonder if Charlie Crist might let these Mafia
owned utilities break my legs if they are not paid? It fits. Charlie
Crist will make Osceola sheriff "Bob' Hansel the Florida Attorney
General. A sheriff that can get away with threatening lives and taking
away a citizen's first amendment rights is the right man for that job
Oh ya Bert

I take it you and others of your kind are not happy campers about
joining up with the New World Order, of pandering and otherwise brown-
nosing to those in charge of our 3200% fossil energy inflation in the
past 60 years, and of most everything else made ENRON and Federal
Reserve cartel exclusive, and for the rest of us simply over-priced to
the point where only the rich and powerful can afford their water, gas
and electrical overhead along with their $5/gallon fuel.

Doing the last year's worth of crude oil profits alone, at $60 extra
per barrel with no real increase in their process of extracting that
oil, whereas if anything via technology, automation and labor
efficiency improvements it's taking less overall human effort to
extract each crude barrel of oil (even from oily sand).

$60 * gross oil barrels = net extra profits within just the last
year.
$60 * 31e9 = $1860e9 ($1.86 trillion in surplus profit for 2008)

As I'd said, this doesn't even include any portion of their previously
established profit margins of past years, or the ongoing secondary
cost impacts and thus collateral inflation upon most everything else
(such as water), not to forget those having died and others dieing as
a direct result of such energy profit takings. In total we’re looking
at having to fork out at least an extra $3 trillion in just the last
year alone, and likely $5 trillion for this next inflated year whereas
consumer products, food, housing and services manage to catch up to
their previous plus recent impact of their having to do business with
such artificially higher cost of energy and water.

Expect those pesky energy and food riots, plus a whole lot worse
things to come, just like having been orchestrated by the mostly
Semitic Third Reich DARPA and by those brown-nosed minions of their
faith-based puppeteers in charge of squeezing your private parts.
Soon enough, the final straw may come when beer cost $12 per 6-pack,
cup of joe at $5 and road fuel running $10/gallon (private aviation
fuel with local and federal tax and airport usage surcharge is likely
to hit that $10 mark within the year), then what?
. - Brad Guth

On May 6, 6:17 pm, "jonathan" wrote:



I'M MAD AS HELL......

It's just insane. Oil was as low as $8 a barrel under Pres Clinton.
It increased by $60 a barrel just in the /last year/.

Let's just extrapolate that price increase out a few years, to...say...about the
time NASA gets to kick around a few more Moon Rocks in the year 2025
give or take ten?

I wonder how history will remember this time, when we had a choice between a
New Moon Base, or the Space Solar Power (SSP) program axed by President
Bush upon taking office.

This is what history will say I believe.

Everyone will be looking at our new shiny moon base much like we see
the ISS now. Doing /nothing/ except consume every available dollar just
to keep the thing flying. And they'll say it's clear the choice for the moon
over SSP was a result of two things.

The military: seeking the 'high ground' in the missile defense race.

Corruption: the big contractors preferring another "Bridge to Nowhere"
As they can promise NOTHING in return for the mega-bucks.
They haven't promised to cure anything, fix anything
or create anything beneficial to the taxpayers except
for the 'thing' itself Another ISS, existing only for the
sake of it. "Have Faith" The NASA administrator says....

There can be no other conclusion, that amidst a new global consensus
and awakening on the rapidly warming earth, we abandoned a visionary
long-term program, Space Solar Power, that could revolutionize
the future of this planet. A program that could not only address the
rapidly diminishing oil reserves, but also tackle greenhouse gasses
and global warming.

A single program, Space Solar Power, that could directly effect two of
greatest global threats. Not to mention all that flows from these
two threats, such as wars over oil, economic growth and national
security.

This was the program timeline when Bush canceled SSP

Space Solar Power Exploratory Research and Technology program (SERT)

a.. 2005: ~100 kW, Free-flyer, demo-scale commercial space
b.. 2010: ~100 kW Planetary Surface System, demo-scale, space exploration
c.. 2015: ~10 MW Free-flyer, Transportation; Large demo, solar clipper
d.. 2020: 1 GW Free-flyer, Full-scale solar power satellite commercial spacehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Solar_Power_Exploratory_Research_a....

By the time we build that shiny now Moon Base, The United States
...could've been building gigawatt class power satellites...we
...could have been on the threshold of becoming the next energy "Saudi Arabia".

Where ...America is the primary source of energy for the world.

But no, the military needs a new observation post, to target the Chinese..

Are we living in an era of denial, insanity or stupidity?

I can't think of any other reason for the choice we're making
to go back to the moon instead of using NASA not just to study
the atmosphere, but to be the agency responsible for ...improving it
as well.

Hey, you NASA guys want larger budgets??? SSP is the path to
long term public and Congressional support.

A Moon Base is a recipe for a much smaller-leaner NASA.
Stripped to the bones by a public angry that NASA's
..lack of foresight is exceeded only by it's
..lack of backbone.

Jonathan

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BTW, my LSE-CM/ISS is still technically doable, as are the expeditions
of Venus, and if need be setting up POOF City at Venus L2.

I've top posted for the benefit of others.
. - BG