"Charles D. Bohne" wrote in message
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On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:24:54 GMT, "Silouen"
wrote:

Open minds are the first constituent of freedom.

Open, closed, who cares?

I do.


Minds are not doors to be open and closed.

Oh yes, they are.

Minds are inquisitive and fearless entities, "closed" only by anything
which
can stop the thinking process.

Untrue.

You could use some "closure", Mr. Bohne.

No, I don't need it, thanks.

Injustice is a subjective thing.

I am a subjective being - and I am proud of that.

You consider secrecy to be unjust.

Yes, I do.

How just is it to know a secret which, just by knowing it, would kill
you?

There is no such secret.

If you don't think there are secrets like this out there, then you are
even
more naive than me!

Try me :-)

Who cares about other worlds as long as this one still is a mess?

Who cares about other peoples in other countries when my country is such
a
mess?

Apples and pears? You didn't say that other worlds would need our help.

No, not apples and pears.
This has direct bearing on what you indicated, which was that anybody who
cares about other worlds is a slug for not caring more about your world.
And it has nothing to do with other worlds needing your help.
You sure like to put words in my mouth, don't you?

Who cares about neighbors when my family is such a mess?

Some of us do - I still think I first have to fix my own mess - if there
is one.

Who cares about family when I am such a mess?

Being a part of a family leaves you no choice but to help your
family-members.

Who cares about astronomy when there is so much to deal with on the
ground?

Another distracting, misleading question that doesn't get to my point.

That was PRECISELY your point!
You are not posting to astronomy group because you like astronomy.
You and your following are here to disrupt.
You play the victim, but you are no better than the rest.

The bigger and more fearless your heart, the more things you may care
about.
And who cares what others think about what you care about?

What do I care what you care about what I care about?

You DON'T care -- this much is quite obvious.

...Creating a HUMAN society ON THIS WORLD
has much more appeal to ME.

Better to improve the one you've got?

Yes, much better.

Why rediscover fire?

Indeed, why?

It was you who wrote:

...Creating a HUMAN society ON THIS WORLD
has much more appeal to ME.

So you indicate there is no truly "human" society and that one needs to be
'created'.

Those who don't become interested will, for the most part, take their
own
lives.
.. In their own hands?

Most will commit suicide.

So what? Let them do it.
This place is crowded enough. Anyone who wants to leave is happily
invited to go.

So much for life being precious, eh?

A few will install effective blinders on their mind's eye.

Not much change from the actual situation.

You have only to gain from us what we recently gained from our sister
galaxies.
Again: we don't care about "out there", we need HUMANITY and VALUES
down here!

You speak for everyone?

Why should I? I speak for myself.

You said "we" don't care -- did you not mean 'we' as in 'all of us on
Earth'?
Or were you just referencing 'we' as in your several billion body cells?

And what makes you think that by befriending an advanced culture,
humanity
and values won't be improved on your planet?

What is there that you could teach us now, that you had not been able to
teach us thousand years ago?

There is a list about as long as from here to your outermost planet.

We have some experience in this, Mr. Bohne.

Fine for you. Shove it.

Overall, life quality does improve after first contact.

I would never trust people who seemingly were to chicken to show
themselves on arrival.

Why do you try to provoke me?
Calling me 'chicken' when I know better is quite childlike, Mr. Bohne.
No wonder the coffee boys like you so much.

Your life quality -- and ours.

My life "quality" is good enough, why should I care for "seans"?

Nobody's asking you to care for us.
If you would prefer for me to ignore you, just say the word.

The opportunity to learn, not just by sitting in a chair in front of a
computer, but by exploring firsthand up close and personal.
Everywhere we look there is something new to explore, Mr. Bohne.

Been there, bought the T-shirt, came back .. it's the same old mess!

There is no excuse for ANYONE (including you) to travel far and abroad
without helping to stop human and animal suffering on this planet
first.

This is just you being helpless.

Nonsense. And if I'd ever needed help, I would not expect it from you.

And you cannot in your heart defend a being who is obviously not
helpless,
and yet who refuses to help.

Right - if do not feel obliged to help a dying world and millions of
suffering beings on it, we are better off without you. We don't offer
a free lunch for "visitors" that we did not invite to come.

You prefer being a puppet rather than being free.

What a stupid thing to say. I've been a freeman during all of my
existence.

Get fearless, Mr. Bohne!

Repeating the same old misunderstanding will get you nowhere.
I am a well integrated part of this wonderful cosmos - what would there
be I'd ever had to fear?

To me? it seems that you fear the fear of fear itself.

Only then can you possibly understand.

I do understand perfectly - we don't need you.

The very first thing to stop being afraid of is -- freedom.

Preach that to those who might benefit from it. Fear is none of my
topics.

We shall appeal most to those with fearless hearts of the explorer in
each and every one of you.

I will cast my vote against you.
There is nothing to gain from your sojourns on our world. If you'd ever
had something to give, you hesitated too long to offer it.

You cannot possibly know the first thing about this.

Swimmingly!
Standing UP-RIGHT

And searching the sky?

I leave that to astronomers - I am a warrior.

Even porpoises and whales search the sky, Mr. Bohne.

Nothing worthwhile searching ever came from there.

Humans can do so much more with it.

That's our business - not "yours",
bye!

Bye bye.
Enjoy your being in denial, Mr. Bohne.

Oh! I cannot find Darla's message to you in all this mess.
If I come across it I will send it.
I do remember she included her admiration for what you call your being a
warrior or fighter or something like that.
A necessary occupation on your planet.
Out here, one seldom has to be a warrior, per se.
What do you fight the most? boredom?

You should enemize ignorance and stupidity.
These would be 'neverending' battles for you humans.
Apologies for my 'dad', the Proz's, influence on me.
As you may remember, Pros Pere has a just-a-bit low opinion of human
intelligence and wisdom.
My opinion is tempered by Darla's compassion, but this sure doesn't change
what humanity needs if you are to continue in this universe.

". . . we don't need you."
I'll say this for you, Mr. Bohne, when you don the skeptic's cap, you pull
it waaaayyy down.

Silouen