In article ,
says...

Let the two of them have this ng and each other.
Time to move on.

The signal to noise ratio is rather dismal, but I wouldn't say Fred
"ruined" this ng. He just has a low tolerance for b.s., idiots, and
ignorance.

Jeff
--
" Ares 1 is a prime example of the fact that NASA just can't get it
up anymore... and when they can, it doesn't stay up long. "
- tinker