On Jun 7, 11:24*pm, Koobee Wublee wrote:
On Jun 7, 2:12 pm, "Paul B. Andersen" wrote:









On 6/6/2013 7:04 PM, Koobee Wublee wrote:
On Jun 6, 1:45 pm, "Paul B. Andersen" wrote:

According to:
Myles Standish, Jet Propulsion Laboratory (1998)
GR predicts 42.98 +/- 0.04 arc secs per century.

According to:
Clemence, G. M. (1947). "The Relativity Effect in
Planetary Motions".
Reviews of Modern Physics 19 (4): 361–364.
The tug from other planets is 531.63 +/- 0.69
and the observed is 574.10 +/- 0.65 arc secs per century
(both relative to 'stationary space')

So the 'anomaly' is 42.45 +/- 1.13 arc secs per century

GR's prediction is well inside the error bars.

Has Paul ever examine the precession of the equinox more
closely? *shrug

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_p...ion_(astronomy)

According to the above link, the exact period is 25,772
years (with no error bar given) which translates to 257.72
centuries.

360 * 60 * 60 / 257.72 = 5,028.7”

As Paul has pointed out, Le Verrier had observed 5,600.0”
(with no error bar given and with unknown digits of
significance but at least 2).

5,600.0” – 5,028.7” – (531.63” +/- 0.69”) = 39.7” +/- 0.7”

It is about 3” less than the fudged prediction of the
Schwarzschild metric. *So, it looks like the data is
fudged as well as the prediction. *shrug

What's your point?

The self-styled physicists just ran with Le Verrier’s data without any
rigorous evaluations per Tom’s own standard. *What a hypocrite, no?
shrug

According to Le Verrier himself the anomaly was 38"
"within one second", which is even further from GR's prediction.

Never mind the number (38”) that Le Verrier had computed. *What is
important is the overall perihelion advance of Mercury which according
to Le Verrier is 5,600” per century because we know how to compute for
the anomaly from known effects of perihelion advance/retardation.
shrug

So what?
Le Verrier's achievements were impressive for its time,
but now they are mostly of historical interest.

The 38” is considered as historical interest like what you said, but
the 5,600” is of great importance to modern science. *The accuracy of
the latter number cannot be handwaved away since the accuracy of the
said anomaly is thoroughly dependent on the accuracy of this 5,600”.
shrug

And note that the more resent data I gave above were
relative to 'stationary space', that is relative to
a frame of reference that doesn't rotate with the equinoxes.

This is impossible. *The earth’s rotational axis is wobbling, and over
time it will show up in every single terrestrial measurement of
astronomical interests. *shrug

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_p...ion_(astronomy)

To get to (42.45” +/- 1.13”) of accuracy calculated by Paul Andersen,
the precision of the following three quantities must be called out to
the second digit after the decimal. *shrug

** *Le Verrier’s observation = 5,600.00” +/- ?
** *Precession of the equinox = 5,028.7” +/- ?
** *Tugs from other planets = 531.63” +/- 0.69”

Among them, the precession of the equinox has been the most accurately
measured besides the human history has only spanned a third of the
period of the precession. *The anomaly due to the processor of the
equinox should be constant over time. *shrug


You better get that shoulder fixed with all the shrugging you are
doing.

The precession of the equinoxes is a long term orbital trait and has
nothing whatsoever to do with an axial orientation feature regardless
of how entrenched the opinion is and even if it comes from Copernicus.

A change in axial precession would alter the relationship of axial
orientation to the orbital points of the solstices and equinoxes yet
the data from 5200 years ago where these astronomers aligned their
monuments to the December or June solstices when the polar coordinates
are at a maximum distance from the circle of illumination,indicate no
change in orientation.The light shines down the passageways of those
solar alignments even though they were constructed 5200 years ago or
20% of a precessional cycle.

http://americandigest.org/mt-archive...oment_in_t.php

Empiricists have a habit of using precession as an excuse to bury
their voodoo much like all the other things,something has to be moving
exceptionally fast or exceptionally far away or exceptionally tiny but
that con job has always been recognized for what it is by genuine
empiricists such as Von Humboldt.You are all in on the game,using
terms you barely understand or not at all and only a few people like
Von Humboldt have given their lives to counter this blight on
Western civilization -

"This assemblage of imperfect dogmas bequeathed by one age to another—
this physical philosophy, which is composed of popular prejudices,—is
not only injurious because it perpetuates error with the obstinacy
engendered by the evidence of ill observed facts, but also because it
hinders the mind from attaining to higher views of nature. Instead of
seeking to discover the mean or medium point, around which oscillate,
in apparent independence of forces, all the phenomena of the external
world, this system delights in multiplying exceptions to the law, and
seeks, amid phenomena and in organic forms, for something beyond the
marvel of a regular succession, and an internal and progressive
development. Ever inclined to believe that the order of nature is
disturbed, it refuses to recognise in the present any analogy with the
past, and guided by its own varying hypotheses, seeks at hazard,
either in the interior of the globe or in the regions of space, for
the cause of these pretended perturbations. It is the special object
of the present work to combat those errors which derive their source
from a vicious empiricism and from imperfect inductions."
Homboldt ,Cosmos

You all try to set yourselves apart by shrugging,laughing and swearing
but the more you all try to sound different the more you all look the
same.