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Old August 14th 06, 03:47 PM posted to sci.astro.research
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Default Ranging and Pioneer

Oh No wrote:
Thus spake "
Oh No wrote:
Thus spake "

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I don't think Anderson actually says how frequent cycle slips were, just
that some were examined by an analyst. They did exclude the data.


The samples are generally once per minute and
few are missing in the small sample of days I
have examined. That may give you an upper
limit of a few per hour at most, possibly much
lower, that you could compare with your predicted
rate.

I am not quite sure where the 15000 increase is, or what the equation
a_H = 2 Hv refers to.


snip derivations

... giving an apparent acceleration
of 5.50e-14 m/s^2. Compare that with the anomaly
of 8.74e-10 m/s^2.


Did that clarify my comment and show how the
speed of the craft comes into the equation?

Can you now explain why your result is so much
higher for Pioneer yet that doesn't translate to
extra-galactic redshift measurements?

I have it that quantum coordinates introduce an
acceleration in time which can be shown by a coordinate transformation
equivalent to an acceleration Hc.


What puzzles me here is that your anomalous
acceleration is independent of the craft speed.
If the craft were sitting at a fixed location with
neither radial nor tangential velocity (e.g. station
keeping with a solar sail), this implies you would
still get a downlink frequency shift which increased
linearly with time for a constant uplink frequency
and it would also be independent of distance (as
is observed) hence should apply to short range
measurements over some spread of distance
resolution.

... Of the phenomenological
time models considered by Anderson et al, do any
of their equations (60) through (65) match? ...

Equation 60 is the probably the best match, though I am not sure how
different it is from 61 or 62.


I need to refresh my memory on the details.

I used cosmic time, but in the quantum
domain an "accelerating" time coordinate is used, proportional to the
expansion parameter. This will affect Doppler, but not ranging which is
based on cosmic time.


Interesting, that might offer you another test as
an inconsistency with other means of measuring
the solar plasma. From page 10 of gr-qc/0104064:

"Thus, the ranging data are independent of the Doppler
data, which represents a frequency shift of the radio carrier
wave without modulation. For example, solar plasma
introduces a group delay in the ranging data but a phase
advance in the Doppler data.

Ranging data can also be used to distinguish an actual
range change from a fictitious range change seen in
Doppler data that is caused by a frequency error [39].
The Doppler frequency integrated over time (the accumulated
phase) should equal the range change except for
the difference introduced by charged particles."

George