Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote
Jan Panteltje wrote:
Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote
A distinct possibility, but not the only one. Consider where human
civilization could be if it had progressed from the ancient civilizations,
without the (probably unintentional but still careless) burning of the
Library of Alexandria by the Romans under Julius Caesar, without
the Dark Ages, the Inquisition, all the small wars and the two World Wars.

Interesting viewpoint,.
I do however think it is just those periods of war
where technology significantly advanced.

That is a common argument, but it does not convince me.

We see in WW2 for example V1 V1, invention of microwave radar (magnetron),
basically one part of the species trying to outsmart the other part.
War being part of evolution,

It is not. It is *a* way for the development of a species, but it certainly
is not the best way as it can easily lead to the species’ extinction by
self-destruction.

Maybe you are thinking that the modern weapons like nuclear will kill everything
and everybody.
This is likely not the case, experiments with radiation have shown that new mutations can happen
and we even need only one special mutaton, one genius, to make humanity take a huge step forward.

In the Chernobyl area, where humans have been kept away since it all got polluted
wildlife thrives!
We are not supposed to know that it seems, the video was removed from youtube it seems
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz2HEwEy8rg

It is the same with glowballworming, here the real reason:
http://old.world-mysteries.com/alignments/mpl_al3b.htm
and the site was replaced by this:
http://www.world-mysteries.com/

Clearly a conspiracy to tax the weather, for you in Germany to buy a new car if you had a diesel,
and live in fear of the bomb.

See, I am in the Netherlands, your next door neighbor so to speak,
watch German TV..



For example, you cannot possibly believe that the slaughtering of millions
of humans because they were considered to not be worthy of living would be
in any way an evolution of the species.

In the jungle, it is often one ant heap against an other.
Sharks eat millions of small fish, we eat animals.
So one type of fish eats an other type of fish, cannibalism was common too.



Had not two humans come to their senses in the Cuba Crisis, we would not be
here, and had not two other humans, one who is, I think rightfully, honored
for those efforts these days, come to their senses in the nuclear race, we
might not be here.

Oh the Cuba standoff, I do not think much would have changed, Russia and US
would have been a bit more polluted than those are now, life would go on.

You must understand that *** never in history have weapons not been uses ***
So it will come to your city soon...
How soon? US is on its return, soon the world with change to an other currency than the US dollar,
maybe the Euro, maybe Chinese currency, and in a last attempt
to be in control, US may start a nuclear war.
Already trump wants small portable nukes IIRC.
US will prefer war away from its bed, they will try to make war in Europe,
working hard on it in Ukrain.

Look at history, empires come and go, nothing changes.
A couple of thousand years setback is possible after such a nuclear war, but then it will start all over again.


And you have neglected to consider all the discoveries and inventions that
make everyday life easier that were made in times of peace.

Well it works a bit different, new things and new standards are being created to be able to sell and sell and sell and sell and se//

Now your electric car, you ultra ultra HD digital TV, your Xpad, your...



The Germans burned many books.. yet their submarines and missiles were a game changer.

It were the Nazis, not the Germans, who did this.

Oh come on, it was the Hitler jugend, and it was the Germans.
And quite honesty a lot of the crap we have now should be burned too,
maybe including this posting, but then...


As a German, I strongly
object to your oversimplifying description. (I hope) we (as a people) have
learned our lesson from our history: Never again!

Few generations and history is forgotten.

Merkel and inflow of fugitives from wars US makes to be able to sell its weapons,
the business model, will make ultra right rise again, trump is helping with that by sending his ultra right
messenger to us (forgot the dudes name), as war must happen so he can sell.


IMO we should just force a regime change in the US.
German engineering French nukes a strong European army, and make an alliance with Russia,
and that will put the US in its place.

US is almost completely isolated these days, N America a small spot on the planet versus
China, Russia, plus Europe, now China's influence in South America is growing, Russian influence there too,
beware of the last insane moves the dying US will make.

Anyways, what was the subject again?
(looks in newsreader)
oh yes Alien visitors.

Likely they will leave some humans alive, take them to their zoos all over the galaxies,
where alien kids and their parents come to see how humans play and mate and what they look like.
If language and technology will still evolve after generations in an alien cage I doubt it.

In all this I can only say: May the best one win.
THAT is evolution.

If we do not make it to some other planet and set up colonies there, we are doomed anyways as one day the sun will engulf the earth if
I understood it right and burn everything,
Maybe by that time there will be a totally different species and humans gone the way of the dinos.

OUR view, is like that of an ant climbing up against a wall,
it has no idea who put the wall there, what the thoughts of the architect were, what it is build from and for,
and where it goes.
And never will, too few neurons to put it very simply.

So, this ant and this filosophy for what it is worth.

So Spock, there you are.
Logic