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Old November 4th 18, 02:09 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Gary Harnagel
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Default Neil DeGrasse Tyson headed down same loony road as Carl Sagan?

On Sunday, November 4, 2018 at 1:34:10 AM UTC-7, Paul Schlyter wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 8:49:31 AM UTC-6, Paul Schlyter wrote:

It is not impossible for sudden changes to happen minutes after
death...


But something very unusual happened at the time of death in all four
cases. Two of the four had NO anomalous weight change which happened
after that. The anomalous weight changes of the other two afterwards
must be due to some other phenomenon than the change that occurred
simultaneously with death.


Did you even consider the possibility that the soul leaves the body some
time after death rather than right at death? If the existence of the soul
is independent of the existence of a living body, why does the soul have
to leave the body right at death? ;-)


SOMETHING leaves at the moment of death, so THAT is what should be focused
on. Because of know physiological changes that occur minutes before and
after death, it would seem to be hopeless to separate unknowns.

It is more reasonable that the spirit resides in the mass of the
body. And if the body is destroyed, so is the spirit.


Only in your conceited opinion :-)


I'm far from alone in having that opinion...


“The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever
that it is not utterly absurd.” -- Bertrand Russell

Apparently you don't know what those words mean. In many NDE cases
the patient was DEAD by medical standards - brain dead.


For a few minutes, yes, but not for long enough to have irreversible
changes in the body happen. It is a big difference in being clinically
dead for a few minutes, and to be dead for months or years. Old corpses
do not rise to become alive again, zombies are a human fantasy.


"And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept
arose," -- Matthew 27:52

There is another option: standing at the gates of heaven and telling
St Peter that you'd rather go to hell. And why would anyone make such
a choice? Perhaps because one would die from boredom by sitting on a
beautiful cloud and play beautiful music on a harp for ever and ever
till the end of time. In hell there is at least some more action...


That agrees with Mark Twain's "Letters from the Earth" and heinlein's
"Job: A Comedy of Justice" :-)