Il giorno venerdì 17 gennaio 2020 01:41:48 UTC+1, Alain Fournier ha scritto:
On Jan/15/2020 at 19:01, Sylvia Else wrote :
On 16/01/2020 1:29 am, wrote:
Il giorno domenica 5 gennaio 2020 13:41:33 UTC+1, Sylvia Else ha scritto:
On 5/01/2020 9:52 pm, wrote:
Il giorno domenica 5 gennaio 2020 11:03:25 UTC+1, Sylvia Else ha
scritto:
On 3/01/2020 9:57 am, wrote:
Patent granted for PNN (Non Newtonian Propulsion) in year 2000
http://www.asps.it/pat98.jpg
fromÂ*Â* www.asps.it/pnndatabase.htmÂ*Â* , www.asps.it/doni.htm


Farily safe bet that it doesn't work, which would ultimately
invalidate
it anyway. The main problem with such patents is that unscrupulous
people can use them to attract investment from those who think that a
patent is more than it is.

Sylvia.

The fact that missiles have not been able to maintain even an
outpost on the moon for 50 years gives you no suspicion.
Unfortunately, if the PNN is not financed, the human outposts on the
Moon and on Mars will remain a dream

and NASA, ESA and Musk remain with their ridicoulous rockets :-)

http://www.asps.it/nasaesa.htm


I don't follow your reasoning there. Rockets are difficult and
expensive, for sure, but that doesn't mean that there has to be
something better.

Sylvia

I hope that you or others who believe in rockets are present when in a
fundraising in which we will achieve our goals ... that is NOT THIS

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...project_build#


we will be able to demonstrate publicly how the principle of action
and reaction is violated.

AU$ 2,112 pledged of AU$ 5,648,769 goal
6 days to go.

Looks like most people know a scam when they see one.

I might be wrong but I don't think this is a scam. It seems to me that
they are genuinely trying to develop non Newtonian propulsion. And I
think that they think that they really do have a wonderful technology. I
think they are wrong and I don't think anything interesting is going to
come out of that. But it doesn't seem to me that they are trying to
commit fraud. They have a gizmo that seems to vibrate when they turn on
the switch and they do measurements on that vibrating gizmo and seem to
think that they have something. If they were scammers they would show
their gizmo actually accelerating when they flip the switch on. I didn't
see that.

For space related scammers I would look more in the direction of
SpinLaunch, they seem to know what they are doing.


Alain Fournier


I think you will have to expand the set of scammers who say that Newton's III principle can be violated in electrodynamics :-)

And don't think I'm the only one :-)

From www.asps.it/pnndatabase.htm


PNN THEORETICAL AND EXPERIMENTAL DATABASE

1) From the thread on NG free.it.scienza.fisica entitled
The third principle of dynamics sometimes does not apply?
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=...ca/eUUCW9P6NVA
On 27/04/16 20:00, Giorgio Pastore wrote:

Interesting. It increases the personal statistics of people who should know it but they don't (about the possibility of violating the III principle of dynamics).
And many graduated in physics seem to ignore it (or to have forgotten it if they knew it in the past).
Your post confirms that this is a widespread gap. I also add that the electromagnetic case is not the only one.
It doesn't apply to apparent forces.
It doesn't apply to the case of forces that are not attributable to sums of couple interactions.
Giorgio Pastore (Professor at University of Trieste)

………………….

PhD Valter Moretti says that practically the III principle makes no sense in electrodynamics probably for the facts that Newton didn’t know electrodynamics www.asps.it/azione.htm

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2) A webpage by Professor Elio Fabri, former professor at University of Pisa with whom I've had countless controversies form many years (over 15 years) about the violability of Newton third principle. At least in Italy recently he has become the best academic propagandist of the violability in electrodynamics of the principle of action and reaction

With this paper basically he practically dismantles years and years of controversies with the undersigned
http://www.sagredo.eu/varie/terzopr-em.pdf
from www.asps.it/setupdip.htm


E.Laureti