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Old January 30th 09, 11:01 PM posted to alt.astronomy
BradGuth
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Default Evidence for the Fine Tuning of the Universe

On Jan 30, 11:56*am, "Noah's Dove" wrote:
The following was written by Ben Stein and recited by him on CBS
Sunday Morning
Commentary.

My confession:

I am a Jew, and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish. *And it
does not bother me even a little bit when people call those beautiful
lit up, bejeweled trees, Christmas trees.. *I don't feel threatened.
I don't feel discriminated against. That's what they a *Christmas
trees.

It doesn't bother me a bit when people say, 'Merry Christmas' to me.
I don't think they are slighting me or getting ready to put me in a
ghetto. *In fact, I kind of like it *It shows that we are all brothers
and sisters celebrating this happy time of year. It doesn't bother me
at all that there is a manger scene on display at a key intersection
near my beach house in Malibu . *If people want a crïeche, it's just
as fine with me as is the Menorah a few hundred yards away.

I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't think
Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. *I think
people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around,
period. *I have no idea where the concept came from that America is an
explicitly atheist country. *I can't find it in the Constitution and I
don't like it being shoved down my throat.

Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that
we should worship celebrities and we aren't allowed to worship God as
we understand Him? *I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too.
But there are a lot of us who are wondering where these celebrities
came from and where the America we knew went to.

In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is
a little different: *This is not intended to be a joke; *it's not
funny, it's intended to get you thinking.

Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane
Clayson asked her 'How could God let something like this
happen?' (regarding Katrina) Anne Graham gave an extremely profound
and insightful response. *She said, 'I believe God is deeply saddened
by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get
out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our
lives. *And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed
out. *How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection
if we demand He leave us alone?'

In light of recent events... terrorists attack, school shootings,
etc. *I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was
murdered, her body found a few years ago) complained she didn't want
prayer in our schools, and we said OK. *Then someone said you better
not read the Bible in school. *The Bible says thou shalt not kill,
thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. *And we said
OK.

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they
misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we
might damage their self-esteem (Dr Spock's son committed suicide). *We
said an expert should know what he's talking about. *And we said OK.

Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why
they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to
kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves.

Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it
out. *I think it has a great deal to do with 'WE REAP WHAT WE SOW.'

Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the
world's going to hell *Funny how we believe what the newspapers say,
but question what the Bible says. *Funny how you can send 'jokes'
through e-mail and they spread like wildfire but when you start
sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about
sharing. *Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass
freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed
in the school and workplace.

Are you laughing yet?

Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it to many
on your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or
what they will think of you for sending it.

Funny how we can be more worried about what other people think of us
than what God thinks of us.

Pass it on if you think it has merit. *If not then just discard it...
no one will know you did. *But, if you discard this thought process,
don't sit back and complain about what bad shape the world is in.

My Best Regards, *Honestly and respectfully,
Ben Stein

On Jan 30, 9:45*am, Saul Levy wrote:

You'll eat DIRT, BradBoi! *lmfjao!


Just like the Chinese under Mao!


BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


Talk about a BROWN NOSE!


Saul Levy


On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 06:17:20 -0800 (PST), BradGuth


wrote:
The only fine tuning is that of wherever your God screwed up, whereas
it seems humanity is finishing off God's best work with our own
demise. *Too bad your faith doesn't allow you to do anything
constructive for humanity or that of salvaging our frail environment.


Even if your God had his/her every wish, we'd never have ourselves a
world full of folks like yourself, because we'd all starve to death
within the first year.


What are you going to do for us when it cost $12,000/year just to eat?


~ BG


Yourself and our resident pretend-Atheist rabbi Saul Levy, very much
deserve one another.

~ BG