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Old November 2nd 08, 02:13 AM posted to alt.astronomy
Jeff▲Relf[_31_]
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Default Before, treBert said nothing could slow down light.

Both of these statements can't be true:
A. Nothing escapes a black hole, not even light.
B. Light always moves at c, never slower or faster.

There are no black holes; all objects have a finite density,
inlcuding a finite redshift coming out of its gravity well.
That's what Einstein himself believed, and he was right.