Plus Bill, there would be the factor of young eyes vs. the 60 year
old eyes....the younger the eyes, that would be the automatic
winner! At 60+, I'll give up right now! (or just won't participate).
TW.

Yeah, but think of all that experience your have, heck, even if you can't see
M74 you can imagine it right there where it is!

Maybe this is the time for sort of an Astrovestion of "Junkyard wars" or
whatever that show is was.

How about building a Newtonian with one of the magnifying bathroom mirrors,
their about $20 and around 6 inches in diameter.

Secondary might be a pocket mirror or some such thing...

Eyepieces, maybe cheat here, at least at first, and use a real Kellner or maybe
even a Plossl, after all every scope comes with a 25mm Plossl.

jon