"oldcoot" wrote in message...
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Heh.. always fun to spar on the 'Primacy of math', Paine. Like i allus
sed, there's no argument with the *utility* of math which gives us our
creature comforts and technologies. But the Primacy of math, that is,
making The Math supplant and *substitute for* the literal mechanism it
purports to describe, is where the train derails. And this Pof M
syndrome is exclusive to cosmology, astrophysics, and theoretical
physics. It gave us the "gift that keeps on giving", the VSP with its
plethora of 'sidebars' like 'eleven dimensions' (or whatever number is
currently in vogue), a 'one-shot' BB, 'ever-accelerating expansion
unto entropic heat death', "dark matter/dark energy", and on and on,
"adding epicycles" whenever the paradigm bogs down and needs another
kludge.
Math, in its secondary, descriptive 'bookeeping'
role, is fine. But when math is given Primacy and then *applied to a
false premise*, a "trainwreck" results.. like the epicycles of
geocentrism and the 'sidebars' of the VSP.

But it's all there is for now, oc. Science does not yet
know enough about gravity to go any farther than the
theoretical math of GR. Spacetime curves, but that
can't be completely real because, well, there's really
nothing there to actually curve. So GR must mean
that "spacetime curves" thing as an abstract concept
of mathematics. How can it be anything else? head
scratch

Until science finally decides to face the truth, that the
UGLY, despicable, HATED, asinine, INFANTILE concept
of the ugh! a e t h e r arghh! is just as *REAL*
now as it was before Einstein trotted his two little legs
on the scene, until they realize that this aether is no
more, no less than a huge expanse of energy, whose
frequency of vibration is SO high, whose wavelengths
are SO tiny and minuscule so that it behaves almost
completely particle-like, and that it is this very real
attribute of space that energetically FLOWS into mass
and thereby directly causes gravity, science will sadly
continue to run around in random fashion just like the
classic "Brownian motion".

Science needs to take an objective "random walk"
down the distasteful path of self-scrutiny. The ego of
science is far too great for its own good. A wakeup
call might be coming soon, and science is ill-prepared.

Fighting the "primacy of math" as you've defined it
above is like David facing Goliath without a slingshot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_walk

happy days and...
starry starry nights!

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine Ellsworth

P.S. "We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the
dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid
of the light."
Plato

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