On Aug 7, 3:41*am, Pastor Dave wrote:
On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 11:05:16 -0700 (PDT), oriel36
spake thusly:
On Aug 4, 3:19*pm, Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 07:54:39 -0600, Chris L Peterson
spake thusly:
Which would be true of most science till modern times.
There was no science until modern times.
That's not true, but most major branches of what
you call science were invented by Bible believing
Creationists.
That is simply not accurate
It is accurate. *Would you like to see a number of examples?
As for your reference, did you think one guy disproves what
I said? *Do you?
I have come to understand that kindness is far more valuable than
intelligence for while 'facts' can change and be pliable,there is
something genuinely enjoyable when human kindness and human
intelligence combine to deliver an insight,discovery about our own
existence or that of the planet of the rest of the celestial arena.In
an era where both are absent,things like science vs religion thrive
generating lots of heat but no real light.
There are no lines between science and religion,as a Christian
astronomer,investigation of the celestial arena is a facet of my
faith,that is not some convenient ideology to say what is pleasing but
simply a consequence of the same intutive intelligence applied to
Christ and the Christian Way as is applied to extracting unseen
avenues and approaches in astronomical matters.
I have no regard for puppet shows made out of historical characters to
do the bidding for present concerns (whether they are scientific or
religious),I only deal with technical matters and the context into
which the renowned people,for right or for wrong,put their discoveries
or their insights.I do not expect people from the alt.bible forum to
know why the Equatorial Coordinate System of Flamsteed, as telescopes
and clocks appeared on the scene, was a botched job leading to all
sorts of unstable ideas beginning with Newton but most of the present
contentions disappear once issues can sorted out.For this
reason,showing me the names of scientists who were creationists would
have no real substance however well meaning the reason may be.
It often happens that individuals provide a conduit for
discoveries,Steno is one and Copernicus another,but I put just as much
weight in the context and background to which these discoveries belong
than who actually made them.For Instance Steno could work out rock
stratification whlie taking a sensible approach to Genesis and by
taking into account that seashell fossils are often found buried in
rock on mountain tops leading to the equally sensible notion of a very
old Earth.It would be nice to see both the religious and the
scientific side today take a wider view of the situation but again -
kindness and intelligence is required -
http://www.desertusa.com/mag06/may/shells.html
The maneuvering of Flamsteed and Newton and what they proposed are in
context of their era but way out of context with the astronomical
methods and insights that preceded them,one relates to timekeeping
astronomy and specifically the 24 hour/360 degree equivalency
(Flamsteed) while the latter relates to the core Western astronomical
insight based on apparent retrogrades and their resolution via an
orbitally moving Earth (Newton).Those who promote the 'scientific
method' unvariably adhere to the false premises and conclusions of
these individuals and unfortunately their approach now is dominant.
The latest news showed that one person spotted a software DNS flaw
which could lead to exploitation by the wrong people,the major
institutions sought to correct this matter by working immediately and
in tandem to patch the system and consider a new approach in order to
keep the internet relatively safe .In astronomy or in speculative
endeavors this does not happen,when the flaw was spotted in
timekeeping astronomy they do not work to correct the matter and
receive credit for avoiding a catastrophe,they simply ignore it and
become hostile to the person who is pointing it out.The point is that
one person can make a difference and even if all the work goes on
behind the scenes,that is the way it should be,where even you and the
empiricists can enjoy the insights into terrestrial/celestial
phenomena without loading the great Hebrew authors with ephemeral
junk.
--
Upon exiting the Constitutional Convention Benjamin
Franklin was approached by a group of citizens asking
what sort of government the delegates had created.
His answer was: "A republic, if you can keep it."
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