On Aug 6, 3:00*pm, PD wrote:
On Aug 6, 7:45*am, Pentcho Valev wrote:

On Aug 6, 2:08*pm, PD wrote:
Pentcho, if something actually happens in nature -- if it is
experimentally observed -- then it isn't a mystery. It is a fact. The
circumstance that you are surprised by the fact does not make it a
mystery. The circumstance that you cannot understand how that can be
does not make it a mystery.

Of course trapping a 80m long pole inside a 40m long barn is a fact
Clever Draper - what else could it be? But there is also a "disparity
between common experience and scientific knowledge" and this makes
such facts difficult to understand:

That is certainly true. And as Brian Greene notes, this is something
that physicists continue to struggle with -- adjusting the "common
sense" to be more in line with demonstrated fact. Nature doesn't give
a damn what makes good "common sense". It does what it does. It is the
physicist's job to figure out what nature REALLY DOES, not to figure
out what makes good, common sense, or what is easily understandable.


Correct Clever Draper but if you replace "nature" with "Einsteiniana"
you will be Absolutely Correct:

Clever Draper (Absolutely Correct): "Einsteiniana doesn't give a damn
what makes good "common sense". It does what it does. It is the
physicist's job to figure out what Einsteiniana REALLY DOES, not to
figure out what makes good, common sense, or what is easily
understandable."

Yet there is a suspicion Clever Draper. Judging from Divine Albert's
1954 confession, perhaps in its fight against common sense
Einsteiniana has gone too far:

http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/pdf...09145525ca.pdf
John Stachel: "It is not so well known that there was "another
Einstein," who from 1916 on was skeptical about the CONTINUUM as a
foundational element in physics..." Albert Einstein: "I consider it
entirely possible that physics cannot be based upon the field concept,
that is on CONTINUOUS structures. Then nothing will remain of my whole
castle in the air, including the theory of gravitation, but also
nothing of the rest of contemporary physics."

What do YOU think Clever Draper: Has Einsteiniana gone too far in its
fight against common sense?

Pentcho Valev