the mental transposition to view it from an 'outside' referance frame.
After all, seeing from alternate frames is what the 'relative' in
relativity is all about.

On Jun 7, 4:23 am, "Painius" wrote:

...you are not describing expanding space when
you describe both Pioneers' situations. Pioneer has not
expanded as far as anybody can see. And if it had, how
would we know? You have described, above, a spatial
energy-density contraction, not a spatial volume
expansion, correct?

Spatial volume *contracts* with increasing energy-density(PDT value).
Out where the Pioneer spacecraft are, the volume of space and *of the
spacecraft themselves* has contracted relative to 'here' deeper in the
Sun's gravity well. 'Here', space is expanded and stretched Sun-ward.
Out 'there', space is denser and more contracted in the Sun-ward
direction.

Outside the Sun's (or any star's) gravity well, the PDT *and volume*
of space stabilize to their ambient values.. until at deep distances
of several billion LY where the *cosmological PDT gradient* begins to
kick in.

So now extrapolate 'waaay on out to deep
cosmological distances where the 1a supernova 'standard candles' are
beginning to appear dimmer than they 'should be'. Obviously there's no
telemetry coming back.:-) But the *cosmological PDT gradient*,
unrecognized by science, is begining to steepen exponentially. And we
see its artifacts in the SN1a data.
Light that began its journey in that denser, 'hotter' space, then
propagated into our less-dense, 'cooler' space naturally loses
amplitude (brigntness) just as is observed. That's the *visible*,
prima facie artifact of the cosmological PDT gradient. Now transpose
mentally to the 'outside' referance frame (the vantage point of
Wolter's 'c-dilation'). Obviously the clock rate or 'tick of time' AND
the speed of light have slowed concomitantly with the PDT drop,
gradually leveling out to their present values. Yet from here
'inside', the speed of light and clock rate are constant *here*
locally, just as they are constant *there*, locally. The invariance of
c is never violated `locally` nor is any other constant. The sole
variable is the PDT value of space, whether across a 'tiny' gradient
like a star's gravity well or across the deep-past, exponentially-
steepening cosmological PDT gradient.

And again, you seem to be saying that the PDT of space,
the SPED, is changing, NOT the volume of space.

The volume IS contracting with increasing PDT value. My use of the
term "sole variable" should carry this addendum. Thank you. Spatial
volume *contracts* all the way back to the instant of its emergence
from the BB. I had assumed this was already understood. The addendum
will be carried hereafter.

SR recognizes c as constant in all inertial frames. But it has yet to
recognize PDT gradients and the constancy of c `locally` in all PDT
frames as well. And GR recognizes a drop in lightspeed the deeper you
go in a gravity well. But it doesn't recognize WHY the drop.
Recognizing PDT gradients will upgrade both SR and GR from their
present 'flat' status.

I have no argument with any of this. However, your
referring to a higher energy-density of space as "contracted
space" in a previous post seems to me to be very different
from mainstream science pounding away at the *volume* of
space expanding, and how the great distances involving the
superclusters and above are the only distances at which we
can perceive this volumnal expansion.

So i still contend that such an expansion of volume must be
absolutely undetectable either just outside the Solar System
or just outside the Virgo supercluster..

....until doing the mental transposition to view it from an 'outside'
referance frame. After all, seeing from alternate frames is what the
'relative' in relativity is all about. :-)