"oldcoot" wrote in message...
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On Jun 4, 6:29 pm, "Painius" wrote:

"Artifacts"... "telemetry"... "denser, *contracted*
space"... Again i say, logic dictates that there's no
effin' way.

If your 12" rule is the artifact, and you look at it far
away in denser contracted space, it will still look the
same. Spatial expansion is undetectable by its very
nature... across the street or across the Universe.

Well, look at the Pioneer situation. The spacecraft aren't going
'straight out' from us, but are on a curved trajectory giving them
'proper motion' against the starfield that our radiotelescopes can
accurately track. The onboard clock registers the number of 'ticks of
time' elapsed since launch. We receive that data back via telemetry.
OK, we know the number of 'ticks' that have transpired on board. We
look at where the spacecraft *should be* against the starfield based
on the number of onboard 'ticks' that have transpired. And lo and
behold, the spacecraft position is lagging behind where it 'should
be'. So what's going on? It's pretty dadburned obvious-- the
spacecraft have traveled into denser, more compacted space and so
naturally appear to lag behind where they 'should be'. There's no
mystery to it. But the mainstream has no concept of what's behind the
perceived "anomaly". The PDT gradient of the Sun's gravity well can
never be recognized under their 'no medium' doctrine.

Yes, and you are not describing expanding space when
you describe both Pioneers' situations. Pioneer has not
expanded as far as anybody can see. And if it had, how
would we know? You have described, above, a spatial
energy-density contraction, not a spatial volume
expansion, correct?

So now extrapolate 'waaay on out to deep
cosmological distances where the 1a supernova 'standard candles' are
beginning to appear dimmer than they 'should be'. Obviously there's no
telemetry coming back.:-) But the *cosmological PDT gradient*,
unrecognized by science, is begining to steepen exponentially. And we
see its artifacts in the SN1a data.
Light that began its journey in that denser, 'hotter' space, then
propagated into our less-dense, 'cooler' space naturally loses
amplitude (brigntness) just as is observed. That's the *visible*,
prima facie artifact of the cosmological PDT gradient. Now transpose
mentally to the 'outside' referance frame (the vantage point of
Wolter's 'c-dilation'). Obviously the clock rate or 'tick of time' AND
the speed of light have slowed concomitantly with the PDT drop,
gradually leveling out to their present values. Yet from here
'inside', the speed of light and clock rate are constant *here*
locally, just as they are constant *there*, locally. The invariance of
c is never violated `locally` nor is any other constant. The sole
variable is the PDT value of space, whether across a 'tiny' gradient
like a star's gravity well or across the deep-past, exponentially-
steepening cosmological PDT gradient.

And again, you seem to be saying that the PDT of space,
the SPED, is changing, NOT the volume of space.

SR recognizes c as constant in all inertial frames. But it has yet to
recognize PDT gradients and the constancy of c `locally` in all PDT
frames as well. And GR recognizes a drop in lightspeed the deeper you
go in a gravity well. But it doesn't recognize WHY the drop.
Recognizing PDT gradients will upgrade both SR and GR from their
present 'flat' status.

I have no argument with any of this, oc. However, your
referring to a higher energy-density of space as "contracted
space" in a previous post seems to me to be very different
from mainstream science pounding away at the *volume* of
space expanding, and how the great distances involving the
superclusters and above are the only distances at which we
can perceive this volumnal expansion.

So i still contend that such an expansion of volume must be
absolutely undetectable either just outside the Solar System
or just outside the Virgo supercluster.

happy days and...
starry starry nights!

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine

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