On Apr 30, 4:09 am, Williamknowsbest wrote:
On Mar 8, 3:38 am, "Stan Engel" wrote:

You're an asshole."BradGuth" wrote in message

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“Apparently our Stan Engel is without words, as well as without
physics or science.”

I tend to agree with your assessment about that individual. However,
even though some ill informed folks are fascinated with Venus for the
inconceivably wrong reasons, that shouldn't put us off thinking
creatively about Venus. After all, its still an interesting planet.

True enough, as it's mountainous terrain is looking almost as though
it once had its very own massive moon, and of its crystal dry and thus
safe lower atmosphere is perhaps much like Earth prior to getting iced
down by way of an icy proto-moon and from other icy contributions.


While the surface is waay too hot at present and the atmosphere is
poisonous to life at present, it should be remembered that at an
altitude of 50 km or so, the atmospheric pressure is the same as that
on Earth, and the air temperature is a balmy 70 F - and the CO2
atmosphere is 3 times as dense as that of Earth's nitrogen oxygen
atmosphere.

Life even as we know it can adapt to pressure, even to considerably
less O2 and lots of CO2, not to mention dry S8 isn't even all that
insurmountable unless you haven't the time to adjust/evolve or the
technology in order to artificially create whatever local habitat
environment you'd like.


This inspired the famous astronomer Carl Sagan to speculate that
humans might develop engineered free floating plants that process the
CO2 in the Venusian atmosphere into carbon compounds

In 1967 Buckminster Fuller suggested that geodesic domes 1 mile in
diameter could float in Earth's atmosphere being homes to 50,000
people. It is quite possible with 2.5 kg per cubic meter lifting
capacity, that such floating cities might make an appearance in Venus'
upper atmosphere. Such stations might tend aerial gardens that are
engineered to transform the Venusian landscape into something more
earthlike.

Venusian floating cities is pretty much exactly what my rigid
composite airship represents, whereas robotic airships or as those
configured as fully human sustaining airships is technically doable
within existing technology. Too bad folks that so often claim being
so all-knowing actually do not let on about knowing squat about
accomplishing any R&D on behalf of accomplishing such rigid composite
airships.


I have proposed elsewhere that ICF based nuclear propulsion system
could be used to harvest rich asteroids and bring them into orbit
around Earth. There, teleoperated factories on orbit could process
asteroids into useful products that would then rain down to users on
Earth.

A similar setup can be imagined for Venus. A ring of asteroidal
factories and space colonies could send down engineered plants and
free flying cities. We could call them 'cloud minders'

POOF City at Venus L2 is cool and downright nifty, whereas any amount
of volume and mass isn't the least bit of a problem to interactively
sustain that kind of halo orbit, offering our best depot/gateway for
all sorts of future to/from Venus expeditions.


The atmospheres of Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune have similarly friendly
environments where cloud cities might be built - if a reason could be
found to build them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floatin...ation_of_Venus

How about the good old and well enough peer replicated reason being,
there's clearly signs of other intelligent life existing/coexisting on
Venus?
. - Brad Guth