On Mar 18, 9:18 am, Sam Wormley wrote:
john wrote:
On Mar 18, 8:24 am, Sam Wormley wrote:
Brian Howie wrote:

There's always a possibility someone messing about might make one by
accident .
Accident or on purpose... One puts energy into creating it... one
gets the same energy out as it explodes.

What are you saying, Sam?

Are you saying that 'amassing' a whole
bunch of matter in one place requires
an input of energy?

So if I have X number of pieces of planets and
suns and they are scattered all around, and then
I allow them to attract each other to one place,
they now have more energy? And this
is the energy given off to propel them away when,
as you say, it explodes?

Explain that gravitationally, please.

John

Plausible mechanisms for black hole creation are
o big bang (not observed)
o stellar collapse
o neutron star mergers
o creation in particle accelerators and cosmic cosmic rays

Gravitation is not necessarily a player in the latter.

Unless there were primordial black holes created in the very early
universe, the mechanisms for creation of black holes are likely to
be


Well, first of all, let me state that I completely scoff at
the idea of gravity-induced collapse of atoms in matter,
which is where the original black hoile idea came from-
but the galactic nuclei we are pointing to as examples
of black holes aren't black holes. Yes, matter falls into them, but it
gets
stripped to individual charges and expelled out the jets.
The galactic nucleus has such intense spin that all the
space has been energized into matter and flung into orbit,
and whenever the charges recombine into neutrons again,
they fall back in and are stripped apart again.

John
Galaxy Model for the Atom
http://users.accesscomm.ca/john/IWIN1.GIF