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just read the (October 26) kkattula2's post he

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/for...sts=13&start=1

"Launch an unmanned, but fully fueled Orion (1) + LSAM + EDS on an
uber-Ares V. Or use a regular Ares V and a fuel depot to top up the
EDS."

then read about the unmanned Orion launched with a powerful AresV in
my (May 20, 2007) article:

http://www.gaetanomarano.it/articles/029aresX.html

and the a "regular Ares V and a fuel depot to top up the EDS" in my
(August 12, 2007) article's update:

http://www.gaetanomarano.it/articles/031easyways.html

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