On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:17:10 +0000 (UTC), bz
wrote:

HW@....(Henri Wilson) wrote in
:


Henri, unless your TRUE initials are G.O.D. you can NOT know the TRUE
orbital parameters.
Be honest and admit that you guess at the parameters necessary in order
for your program to produce a curve that looks like the particular curve
you are trying to fit.

That is ALL.

THAT IS CORRECT.

There is no other way to detemine the true situation from the willusion
we see. Is this so hard for you lesser mortals to understand?

Viewing stars is not the same as seeing on Earth. Light speed must be
taken into account....particularly variable light speed.

Now IF your program were constructed so as to accurately model BaTH and
IF BaTH were correct and
IF the set of parameters that gives the curve were unique and
IF the curve you are trying to fit accurately reflects what is observe
THEN your parameters might reflect the 'TRUE orbital parameters'.

ON the other hand, your program has demonstrably produced parameters
that are NOT true orbital parameters, such as when you fitted the
flute's curve.

My program pruduces a very narrow range of curves based solely on the
c+v of an orbiting or pulsating sourse. It turns out that most star
curves can be simulated with this approach. What does that STRONGLY
suggest Bob?

The flute thing was a joke mumbled by some desperate relativists.

Which calls into doubt the accuracy of the the use of the word 'TRUE'.

....

but the published temperature curve simply cannot be correct. Like I
said,for a huffpuff, the maximum temperature SHOULD and MUST BE just
before the point of minimum radius.

Recall that I pointed you toward the question of when the maximum
temperature of an internal combustion engine occurs. Study it well.

I've never seen a star with four wheels Bob. If I do I'll name it after
you.

The diesel engine is a good analogy to begin with when studying WHP
[Wilsonian huff and puff) stars.

I don't think so Bob.
gravity is the main force in the contraction phase. The 'explosion' must take
place just before the bottom and this must also be the point of maximum
temprature at least for the lower layers. A compression and temperature 'wave'
would rapidly radiate outwards. I'm not even going to try to speculate about
its rate or its relationship with radius change (if any).

Clearly, the max temperature internal temperature of a 'huff and puff'
star will occur some time AFTER the fusion process ignites, and after
the in falling halts.

Wrong. the main part of the star will be contracting when the 'core
explosion' takes place and rapidly forces it out again.
The maximum temperature should occur at maximum compression...BEFORE the
expansion begins.

+/- a few degrees of top dead center(maximum compression).

The exact angle of max core temp is really not the important point.

No, It is the way the subsequent temperature wave affects the outermost
layers.

When would WE see the peak temperature?

Surely NOT as the gasses are still in-falling. The heating has begun
around the core, but we won't see it until the heat from that reaction
makes its way to the surface of the star.

As with any oscillating system, the amplitude lags the driving force by
90.

So, the peak temperature seen will come after the minimum radius of the
star, right?

You would like it to be that simple, i'm sure...but that is a pretty broad
claim and is probably correct....maybe not for small stars.



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