In sci.physics, BradGuth

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On Jul 7, 8:45 am, The Ghost In The Machine
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In sci.physics, BradGuth

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On Jul 6, 10:18 am, Randy Poe wrote:
On Jul 6, 1:14 pm, BradGuth wrote:

On May 29, 6:47 am, BradGuth wrote:

At losing 20.5 w/m2, Venus is still not the least bit too hot to touch
with the Ovglove, much less of any problem for a composite rigid
airship.

Comparing Earth/Venus is not even a fair game, as to any half smart ET
village idiot, the planet Venus wins every time.

Too bad that Cambridge and the like are too mainstream snookered and
otherwise dumbfounded past the point of no return, as to know about
such things.

Too bad that ADOBE PhotoShop or the likes of digital photographic
enlargement alternatives that are even better, is still so taboo/
nondisclosure rated.

Too bad them pesky laws of physics and of whatever's the best
available science can't function off-world. I obviously didn't know
that such regular laws of physics and of whatever science were so
unusually terrestrial limited.
-BradGuth
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"whoever controls the past, controls the future" / George Orwell

On Apr 4, 5:07 pm, wrote:

As long as you don't run yourself out of ice cold beer and pizza, I
don't see all that much of a problem.

As long as you've got way more spare/renewable energy at your disposal
than you could possibly know what to do with, and having that nifty
thermal suit made by Ovglove, where's the big-ass insurmountable
problem with taking that hot-foot of a toasty stroll onVenus?

CO2--CO/O2 is not hardly a technical problem, hasn't been for a good
decade or more.

Pure H2O as easily extracted from those somewhat cool nighttime acidic
clouds (above the S8 layer) is simply another mission positive win-
win.

The 65 kg/m3 worth of buoyancy as working along with the 90.5% gravity
is offering a couple of other nifty factors that'll work rather well
for your composite rigid airship (just like on behalf of those
Venusian composite rigid airships).

If you're any damn good at PhotoShop, goto:http://guthvenus.tripod.com/http://g...om/gv-town.htm
or best you start with your very own look-see at the following
official image site:http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hi...c115s095_1.gif

The 36 look per pixel of that GIF image format starts getting
interesting at being 3X resampled, and then giving it all the best
PhotoShop or whatever else you can muster, although the original GIF
1:1 image was actually good enough for my PhotoShop configured brain
to deductively interpret upon what's most likely artificial as opposed
to what's perfectly natural. 36 looks per pixel is offering a lot of
truthworthy image data to start with, so it's a good one to stick with
rather than dealing with their individual 75 meter/pixel versions as
having combined but four looks per pixel.

Don't try to process the entire image unless you've got one heck of a
nifty PC or MAC. Try clipping out only the small portion of the total
image that's roughly a third up from the bottom and just to the right
of center, as we're talking about utilizing less than 10% or perhaps
even as little as 5% of that primary GIF image, and to process upon
just that much shouldn't traumatise your memory or performance PC or
MAC.

I'll review each of your results, that by rights should become a whole
lot better than mine. Obviously anyone can over/under force those
PhotoShop refinements, well past the point of no return, so don't do
that. My extremely old version of PhotoShop can't accomplish much
better than 8X resampling without losing ground, and besides, we don't
actually require much better than 6X for most others to see most
clearly what I'd interpreted from the original 1:1 format.

Thanks once again to 'tomcat' for also having posted this updated page
ofVenusimages.http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/th...humbnails.html

It's image No.17 from the top left being the one that so happens to
include the robust, sizable and somewhat complex community of 'GUTHVenus'.
"Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles,Venusfrom Magellan Cycle 1"http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.htm...
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Venus is not at all too hot to touch with the Ovglove. If our SR-71
can survive 1200 degree F, then where's the big ass insurmountable
technical problem with surviving Venus within our composite rigid
airship?

This is going to go right over your head, but it's an answer to
your question anyway.

Your computer has a cooling fan in it. Because of that, components
inside the computer can get very hot (let's say 180 F) and
yet not cause the computer's disk or other heat-sensitive
components to cook.

Yet if the entire computer were in a 180 F room, the cooling
fan would be useless and the computer would cook.

Why do you think that is true?

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With unlimited local energy (how many spare teraWatts would you
like?); we could hold the future Winter Olympics on Venus, and then
some.

Yes, we could. The question is where this energy would come from.

Of atmospheric pressure and thermal differentials. Think vertical,
and you'll have more spare joules of continous/renewable energy than
you'll ever know what to do with.

I would need to see the details. Seems to me similar techniques could
be used here on Earth, although the amount of extractable energy would
by necessity be less, since we have lower pressures and temperatures at
play here.



What's insurmountable when there's such unlimited and otherwise 100%
renewable energy that's already there to behold?

Did you miss out on physics-duh-101?

BTW, if I were every bit as dumbfounded and otherwise as naysay
snookered to death as yourself, I would not try using a standard PC on
Venus, although within the cool as you like composite rigid airship or
much less our extremely cool POOF City at VL2 isn't any problem
whatsoever.

As long as the heat can be removed later.

Why of course, as CO2 and S8 are actually rather good elements for
accomplishing that task of heat extraction. However, while situated
at VL2 is where POOF City could use a little extra internal heat of
our PCs running those hot little CPUs.

It might be more effective to simply situate a nearby adjustable mirror,
one that is outside the Venusian shadow, to direct radiant energy onto
the POOF.

Two might be employed for symmetry/redundancy.



Ever heard of a cold cathode vacuume tube? It seems they can be made
extremely small, obviously energy efficient and good for perhaps
better than twice whatever that Venusian environment has to share.
That cold cathode has a 1600 year half life to boot.

http://www.vintagecalculators.com/ht..._dekatron.html

I'm not sure what you mean by "extremely small" -- in the case of the
Anita Mk8 they appear to be about the same size as the selenium
rectifiers. They can never be as small as UV-fabricated MOSFETs on a
single silicon chip, though one might contemplate some interesting
methods of building a chamber through layering techniques. (The
UV-fabricated MOSFETS currently use etching, which won't quite work.)

There's no volume or mass restrictions onborad our robotic rigid
airships, and there's especially no limitations of any volume or of
whatever added mass onboard any such fully manned rigid airship.

For getting our surface probes onto that geothermally roasting deck,
we'll need extra mass in order to offset the thick atmospheric soup of
having 65 kg/m3 worth of buoyancy, as well as for the 90.5% gravity
making it even better yet.

Just use the glove. Should be sufficient. :-)

-
Brad Guth



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