On Jul 7, 11:25 am, John Griffin wrote:
BradGuth wrote:
The original and full context of this topic "Venus is not too
hot to touch with the Ovglove" is in cam.misc
http://groups.google.com/group/cam.m...m/thread/45f9b
8fc2883f520?hl=en

Since each of our warm and fuzzy naysayers and obviously our
local swarm intelligence worth of official rusemasters
continually manage to forget mentioning that Venus actually
has teratonnes (possibly hundreds of teratonnes) worth of
spare water, as efficiently sequestered within them thar
acidic clouds, and once again that's not even including all
the ice cold beer imported by or on behalf of those smart
enough to survive as locals or as deployed ETs.

Is it ever polite to ask; how little h2o is actually
necessary for sustaining an advanced form of intelligent
carbon life? (think exoskeletal)

If there's not too many Venusian souls in need of cold beer,
whereas the existing geothermal toasty and atmosphertic
pressure differential as energy resources of Venus are going
to more than provide for their needs. Personally, I wouldn't
expect to uncover a Venus population of millions, whereas more
than likely a few thousand could become the magic number, down
to a few hundred as homestead or mining place savers,
especially of few souls if most of their really hard work is
accomplished via robots.

I'm thinking of at most not more than a liter, as perhaps
their making do with a 6pack if not otherwise sucking down two
of those extra large and fortified beers worth of h2o per 100
kg Venusian per 24 hours, whereas this exoskeletal Venusian
isn't hardly going to sweat, especially not at nearly 100 bar,
and you likely wouldn't dare pull it out in order **** off the
back porch.

Without hardly any sweat glands, you'd think a liter of beer
might outlast 100 hours per hard working 100 kg Venusian. So,
where's the actual demand for all of that h2o? (that's not
ever going anywhere except back up into those acidic clouds,
where it can once again be easily extracted on demand). At
least that's entirely within the regular laws of physics, and
otherwise based upon the best available science.

.01 liter/hr of h2o or beer per 100 kg exoskeletal soul seems
rather doable, don't you think?

Of rather easily obtaining that initial fresh supply of h2o
from those acidic clouds, the making of such into beer, and of
getting that beer cold and keeping it cold is going to demand
energy, but once again there's absolutely no such shortage of
said energy as long as you're on Venus, and of Venus cloud
sucking might even be an ongoing sport, much like skydiving is
here on Earth. -
Brad Guth

As usual, you just don't get it. Anything that functions in
Venus's atmosphere is going to be hotter throughout than the
"air." You did bring up an amusing image, though. The most
common cause of death among Venus beetles with total exoskeletons
and a bit of water would be steam explosion. If your 100 bar is
correct, that would be one hell of a bang, so maybe death by
flying beetle debris would be more common.

Just for the heck of it, please do some arithmetic to see if I'm
right. Would 900-degree water boil into a 100-bar fluid?- Hide quoted text -

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Venus is not for accommodating dumbfounded Zions of such naysayism
like yourself.

Besides, you wouldn't know what to do with a spare teraWatt if it was
given to the likes of yourself.
-
Brad Guth