On Jun 23, 8:05 pm, Matthew Ota wrote:
On Jun 23, 9:59 am, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)"
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Anybody with some ideas on how NASA selected the
orbital altitudes above the moon for the Apollo
missions?

If you go too high, the orbits rapdily become unstable. That is
a problem when trying to be a satellite of a satellite...

With little/no atmosphere, was it an advantage to
make them as low as possible?

Yes for orbital stability, no for surface communications
purposes.

How low can you go?

A miss is as good as a mile. A satellite was crashed into the
Moon's surface about a year ago, and it was clearing the surface
by less than a mile, I think.http://groups.google.com/group/sci.a...f438b76d22065b
... if you do a little digging into SMART-1, your questions
should be answered.

David A. Smith

Actually for manned Apollo missions, the "standard" orbit for the CSM
was around 60 nautical miles.
For the last three J-mission landings the CSM/LM was placed into an
elliptical orbit with a pericynthion of ten miles in order to drop
off the LM.
By using this low point they increased the fuel efficiency of the LM
so that it could land the heavier payload - the Rover and more
consumables.

As for the orbital mechanics of lunar obit, yes there is no atmosphere
to consider. You can make your orbit just low enough to clear the
highest mountains.
But they discovered tehat the gravitational field of the moon is not
consistent. There are "mascons", mass concentrations that cause
distortions in orbits, especially low ones.
This is what causes orbital decay of lunar satellites. As I recall
the mascons were located in mare areas.
Low lunar orbits are unstable as a result. Higher orbits are not as
susceptible to the mascon's gravitational effects.

If I am not correct I am sure that there are some lunar scientists
from the Apollo era that can elaborate on this.

Matthew Ota
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Even the moon's L1 is an orbit of gamma, hard-Xrays and more than
enough secondary/recoil IR/FIR to deal with, and all of that's in
addition to whatever's available as directly from the sun.

BTW, any lander without momentum reaction wheels is nearly a lost
cause, unless their state of the art fly-by-wire as accommodated via
their fast and multiple computer driven fly-by-rocket method has
sufficient loads of spare fuel in order to properly deal with those
pesky downrange mascon issues.

Thwew's also electrostatic dust that's thick and nearly dark as coal
to deal with, plus it's still more than a bit salty as well.

Don't bother doing the physics math on those original fly-by-rocket
missions, as it simply doesn't add up.
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"whoever controls the past, controls the future" / George Orwell
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Brad Guth