"Brad Guth" wrote in message
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"Jonathan" wrote in message


Here's a better argument against your "COLLECTIVE INSANITY" ruse on
steroids:

If you don't or can't believe in the past; What's the argumentative
point of the future?



On this point, the insanity is believing the past is a vehicle
for predicting the future. Reverse that. Instead of using
rational objective science to examine in detail what
already exists ( the past), to build a way of extrapolating
into the future. We do just the opposite.

We use our imagination to project current general trends
into the future, as a means of unraveling the past.

For instance, on the subject of God, or the creation of
the universe.I use this inverse logic to form a completely
rational or science based concept of God.

Inverse the method and you inverse the results.

Instead of God being some fanciful and subjective
concept, it becomes scientific. Here goes.

Using evolution, what are the general trends?
From lifelessness to one celled, to the first
two celled marine life, to plants, animals
and finally humans and intelligence.

A clear trend of ever more capable of intelligent
creations. Project that trend into the distant
future.

Evolutionary processes should someday naturally
create a level of wisdom that has the God-life power
of creation.

So God comes at ....the end...of the evolutionary ladder.
NOT the beggining.

When this universe naturally evolves Gods, they will
create. They may be the source of creation for
a new universe that does not now exist. So maybe
our universe was created in the same way, by
a previously existing naturally evolved emergent
property. God is now a generic emergent property.
Not any particular being or technology, but
a property that emerges as a universe dies
which allows a new universe to be created.

A cyclic model. Where universes evolve what they
need to produce another before they die.
Our evolved Gods might be dark energy and matter
in this view. A new property that completes
the cycle to the next universe.

The most recent cyclic model is discussed
in detail here.
http://www.physics.princeton.edu/~steinh/






For example; Our species of evolution is not limited to whatever's
terrestrial, nor have we emerged our selves so quickly from the muck of
mother Earth's happenstance of random creations, from the likes of her
slime as having mutated into such vast multitudes of such highly complex
life without a little help from above. In my good book of deductive
common sense, Earth simply isn't old enough.


Evolutionary creation follows a power law. Which is just
like the behavior of an earthquake. With countless small
evolutionary improvements, and the occasional huge
step forward. In short, the very biggest leaps of
creation happen almost overnight. With long periods
of only minor changes. And as a niche becomes
more fully filled, this process accelerates.



Possibly via icy
spacebergs or that of an icy proto-moon that's hosting sufficiently
protected forms of intelligent panspermia or larger forms of life, would
go a long ways towards helping to explain as to what gave the relatively
newish likes of Earth the all essential kick-start for life as we know
it.


Perhaps the greatest discovery of chaos theory is that
random interactions are the source of self organization.
The second law provides the complexity needed for
spontaneous order to form. This need for complex
and random interactions are the reason why
water is considered the ideal medium for life.

Once the earth cooled and fluid motion became
stable and dominant, life should evolve.