Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (10 May 2006 01:46:56 -0700) it happened "Thomas Smid"
wrote in
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Jan, your problem has essentially nothing to do with the expansion of
the universe but with the finite speed of light. Whether or not an
object is moving relatively to you, you will always see it as it was a
time t=d/c ago (where d is the distance of the object and c the speed
of light). In this sense, you should actually say that an object at a
larger distance shows it at a *younger* stage, not an older (if you
look at a photo of somebody, then it will always show the individual at
an age younger than its present age).

Having said this, it is in my opinion actually more than questionable
that the redshift of galaxies is related to an expansion of the
universe (see my webpage
http://www.plasmaphysics.org.uk/research/redshift.htm ).

Thomas

Hi, I have been at you webpage, and if i understood this right,
you say that the electric fields thayt exist around stars cause a
lightbeam to deflect, and that that is the reason for the Einstein Cross, not gravity?

It should not be too difficult to ionize some neon with a few kV or RF energy,
and beam a laser pointer through it.
has this been done?
If so did the ionized gass deflect the light and in what direction?
Or are you saying it is ONLY the electric field that causes this?
Experiments?

That is not mainstream, but why would the beam defelct around and for example not
away, what sort of electric fields (polarity and gradient) do you expect?

Your webpage brings up many many questions....

I am suggesting that it is *only* the electric field that causes this.
Otherwise, it would hardly be able to cause a redshift in intergalactic
space as the distance between two particles is larger than the length
of a 'photon'.
With regard to the deflection, which I specifically treated on my page
http://www.plasmaphysics.org.uk/research/lensing.htm : as mentioned
there, the electric field around the sun should have a strength of
about 10^-6 V/m (due to the sun being positively charged at a potential
of about 1 kV) However, it extends over about 10^6 km , so you need
correspondingly higher field strengths for lab dimensions. If you
assume a quadratic dependence (as suggested on my webpage), then you
find that you would need lab field strengths of the order of the
inner-atomic field, which are obviously impossible to create (as it
would tear the whole lab apart at the same time) . The whole effect is
thus very much associated with astronomical distances and it is
therefore not surprising that it is unknown in classical mainstream
physics.

Thomas