complexity theory - cool
but remember that these theories are just descriptions of real world
processes
and these descriptions, by dint of linguistic relativity, are flawed
have a look at Bohms Implicate Order book and consider ontologies and
representations

doesn't mean that all these different theories are not sweet in their own
domain
you just need to understand the relevant realms of applicability - the scale
length per se

Blooms book - the Global Brain has some very nice takes on complexity
theory, try it




"jonathan" wrote in message
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Well, my constant prattling on about complexity science is
that the breakthrough has finally been found allowing reality
to be properly modeled ...FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER.

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Well, Johnathan, I agree with what you say, but I'm not so sure your
posts or mine make much difference. People get very polarized against
the science of complexity, it being too --- "far out". What has kept
me going the past 3 or 4 years since discovering the Principia
Cybernetica has been the knowledge that the Global Brain is
automatically, cybernetically, unavoidably locking-in, since the Earth
is full of systems and they will undergo a metasystem transition with
no way to stop it. So I've got to the point of realizing that it will
happen and such people as you and me will only have one effect upon it
- to possibly speed it up.


I've been pondering that aspect. How to set goals and change the world
that is. How to have the greatest effect. There's a math for that too...
now.

Another thing that's realized in this science when looking at
the properties of random boolean networks. Which is
the 'integral' so to speak of complexity science.
It's the absolute inevitability of natural systems to
converge on the ..complex...or middle realm of
beauty, wisdom and natural.

It's the destiny of the human race to return to nature
and to swim in beauty. The only question is how long?


Like a pile of brush just starting to burn,
one may let it go at a normal rate or one may pour 5 gallons of diesel
fuel on it to hurry it along.


Change may take a linear path, which can be very slow.
Or it can be non-linear. We see this effect in the French
riots right now. One small event set's off a massive
and self-similar response that spreads out of control
literally overnight. These riots are a classic non-linear response.

A system residing on the edge of chaos, the most sensitive or stressful
spot, undergoing a fundamental and sudden phase transition to a
completely new behavior. Switching from a repressive hopeless
or static environment, immediately to the opposite extreme of
chaos.

Looking for such system wide stress is the key to creating
change.

My personal goal is nothing much really, I only wish to
help return the world to nature. Sounds a bit insane eh?

Well, returning the world to nature in the abstract takes the
tangible form of returning the world to democracy.
Nature's best mimic.

To optimize change we must find a system that
has both overall stress and largest scale maximized.
Take a look around the world, do you see such a
large stressed system anywhere?

China stands out like a sore thumb.
The most rigid and largest the world has to offer.

And the 'event' to set off the French-like cascading effect.

The upcoming Beijing Olympics will define the point of
maximum stress ...and....maximum connectivity.

It doesn't get any better. It never will get any better.
It's a once in a species opportunity to suddenly and
massively create change.

Overnight, and with a trivial triggering event, a FOURTH
of the world could be freed. And the inevitable return
to nature will clear it's last great hurdle.

And this grandiose personal goal of returning the world
to nature could be accomplished with something as
trifling as this.


http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/Mexico_1968.htm
"Polls have indicated that their demonstration was the
6th most memorable event of the 20th century"


Or the Chinese version,

http://www.faluninfo.net/gallery/photo.asp?ID=101


And ya know what. At the edge, the likelihood of such triggering
events are most likely. In fact it's almost unstoppable with the
proper conditions. I fully believe that merely convincing a few
people that something will happen, and it will.

A self-fulfilling prophecy is a property of the kind of edge
state that will occur during the Beijing Olympics.

Convincing these people ........
http://www.cecc.gov/pages/virtualAca...ateleaders.php

.........that the Falun Gong will try to disrupt the Olympics
should do the trick. Their over reaction will self-trigger the
attractor change.

I'm going to e-mail them all every little detail over
and over before the Olympics. Merely convincing
a few of them of their impending doom is all it
should take.

We'll see. I can't wait.


Jonathan


"YOU cannot put a fire out;
A thing that can ignite
Can go, itself, without a fan
Upon the slowest night.

You cannot fold a flood
And put it in a drawer,
Because the winds would find it out,
And tell your cedar floor."



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In any case, I admire your posts and you
know, it's kind of nice to see somethig positive on the horizon for
once (actaully, it's aleady here, it's just refining itself, growing
up). Positive self-fulfilling prediction also has a lot to do with it,
to be optimistic in the face of the negativism one sees all around them
every day.

In my early days I tried discussion and debate with cyberneticists and
they're worse than anyone. Personalities, endless debate. So I just
sit back and watch the show. The ending is inevitable. An organism
wants what's best for itself, the cybernetic purpose of life,
"comfortable survival". Good work.

Don