B1ackwater ) wrote:
: On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:26:39 +0000 (UTC),
: (Eric Chomko) wrote:

: AlienGreenspawn ) wrote:
: : On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:23:39 -0400, The_Bob
: : wrote:
:
: : B1ackwater wrote:
: :
: : OK - the question is "WHY ?". A few people for a few days at
: : a time ... it's just not worth doing (except to enrich certain
: : aerospace companies).
: :
: : The answer is chrome plating it, of course, that way when we finish
: : paving the earth the shine off of it at night will allow us to eliminate
: : street light posts, which cause accidents.
:
: : Ah ... but they're invaluable as a physical support
: : mechanism for drunks !
:
: Are you kidding? Here in the US drunks allow themselves to be propped up
: by their cars while they fumble around for their keys.

: They weren't so much of a problem before the traffic
: density got so high.

Right, and pollution wasn't so bad when we had less people. The problem is
that we have a Second World public transportation system in the US.

: MADD and all their wisdom don't have enough clout to take on the
: oil/auto industries with their political backers in a manner to change the
: public transportation systems of the US one iota.
:
: I'm sorry to say that the US public transportation system is Second World,
: but that is by design.

: The urban geography of most US cities an suburbs is oriented
: around using SPACE. This means that it's generally a long way
: from wherever you are to wherever you need to go. Most old
: european cities, built-up pre-automobile, are much more compact.

Agreed, but isn't ironic that both Japan and Germany have bettr systems
than we do. The space issue is a cop out and an unwillingness for us to
challenge the status quo.

: Not here. Since we are not going to tear down all our cities
: are start over, we're kind-of STUCK with the status-quo.

Because we are too lazy to challenge the politicians and the
industrialists in fear of being label socialists. It is THAT sturcture
that does not make us free even though slick propaganda and whole legion
of lackeys swears that we are. You and I and all others are slaves to Big
Oil. Look how they have us thinking that gas under $3 a gallon is good.

: This makes the private automobile a necessity.

It doesn't HAVE to be that way! We allowed this to happen! I know you
lived overseas. You have seem how much superior Frankfurt, Berlin and
Munich's public transportation is as compared to the US. Your complacency
and unwillingness to tell it like it is only feeds the problem.

: Public transport
: generally won't get you close enough to where you need to go -
: at least not without changing busses five or ten times. You
: need to go twenty miles to work, five miles to the market, three
: miles to other stores, five miles to school, to take kid #1 to
: baseball practice ten miles south, kid #2 to soccer practice
: five miles west and the dog to the vet six miles north. Then
: you have to collect everyone again in a few hours. Sleep, and
: repeat the next day. Public transport ? Forget it !


Right, so what exactly does suspending one's license accomplish?