Point of origin?? In an expanding universe, the entire cosmos is STILL the
point of origin. You folks are hung up on centers, edges, and outsides!!

"Ralph Hertle" wrote in message
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Brian:


Brian Tung wrote:
Ralph Hertle wrote:

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There is another theory that better explains the RS, and, that uses
almost
the same set of original empirical facts and identifications of
properties
and consequences as the Doppler-Euclid-Hubble explanation.


It has nothing at all to do with Euclid,



That's a direct lie. In science lies are not valid forms of refutation or
proof. Proof is reserved for identification of the facts and logic.

The cosmological Red Shift concludes that everything, on balance, is
moving away from everything else. By projecting lines from all said moving
entities to an origin point, it was necessary to use the Euclidean proved
concepts of the extension of a straight line, and that the ends of a line
are points, for example.

Try to explain the BB origin point without the use of straight lines. It
cannot be done. Unless the lines to the origin point are not straight, and
in that case the projection of the universe would appear to be similar to
a plate of linguine - all curvy.




since every indication shows
that space is non-Euclidean, and yet the BB theory survives.





The term "non-Euclidean" is an anti-Euclidean terms that carries with it a
specific anti-reason implication. "Non-Euclidean" is a term that denies
the use of identifications, facts, and logic. Note the the same authors
have been equally vehement against the metaphysics (existents, facts,
properties, functionings, consequences, and cause and effect relationships
of existents), and the epistemology (inductive and deductive logic, proof,
validation of concepts, genus and differentia definitions, and the
hierarchy of knowledge) of Aristotle.

Your Platonism is showing.

The BB theory is untenable now that physics has proved that the
cosmological Red Shift is caused by the energy reduction of photons in
inelastic collisions with hydrogen molecules in cosmological space. Do the
math: the universe need not be expanding to explain and demonstrate the
cosmological Red Shift. Hence, the BB theory is history.

The Christian Platonists wanted a non-physically existing "ideal" cause
for the universe, and Plato's ideas were perfect for them. They also
discarded Aristotle's, objective reality, proof, validation of concepts,
and accurate scientific measurement.

Aristotle first explained that the causes for the continued existence of
the plurality of existents in the universe are the existence, properties,
functionings, and potentials of the existents in the universe. Aristotle
said that the cause and effect relationships of the properties of things
function and are conserved, and the plurality of the universe continues to
exist.

Ralph Hertle