Greetings all,

My hiker friend took another trip out to the site yesterday and found
some more debris about 1/2 mile away. I didn't get a chance to talk
to him before he went, but he took a few more photos which are here,
scanned from disposable camera prints : -o

http://home.earthlink.net/~jpa_2/

Also, the items are at approx 33 00' N and 116 22' 30" W, not as
specified below.

Note there is a number on the wing : 212

Item 1 is the first part he found, which is in a relatively hidden
area.
Item 2 is the wing, which also has some graffiti marks from other
hikers and is in a more exposed area.


-Paul



On Tue, 25 May 2004 03:29:20 GMT, Paul wrote:

Mary and others,

I'm not familiar with quoting coords so bear with me. Within a mile.
the item is at:

Latitude North 33 deg 00'

Longitude West 116 deg 7'30"


I understand it's about 3 foot dia. Can't say if there are any exotic
alloys there.

A group of us under-employed folk from the local coffee shop might
visit the site later this week and take better photos. It's about a 2
hour drive and a half hour walk. We will look for nameplates but
don't plan on messing with it too much as it's in a state park.

FYI, the same image with less JPG compression is at:

http://home.earthlink.net/~jpa_2/wreckage.jpg


-Paul





On Mon, 24 May 2004 13:00:34 -0700, Mary Shafer
wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2004 05:59:12 GMT, Paul wrote:

The item in the photo at the link below was found impacted on the
desert floor .... anyone seen anything like this before?

Yeah, not exactly like, but it's pretty obviously aircraft debris. I
mean, it hasn't reentered the atmosphere, since there's no melting and
the paint is still there, so it's not part of a satellite or
spacecraft.

For some reason, I keep thinking F-4. I don't know why, though. How
about some dimensions and materials? A picture may be worth a
thousand words, but a picture with dimensions and some words is worth
a lot more.

Can you give me an approximate latitude and longitude so I can look it
up on my Western Aeronautical Test Range maps? The more correct they
are, the more useful, but that may not be possible.

Mary