"EvolBob" wrote:

Top-posted stuff moved to proper place. See below.


"Aratzio" wrote
Thu, 23 Sep 2004 08:11:25 -0800, "Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)"
transparently proposed:

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 03:37:33 +1200, "EvolBob"
wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message :

Three things are certain:

1 We are not alone
2 Intelligent life that has been around more than a million years
is aware of us.
3 Earth has been visited; I said Earth - not us!

Your definition of "certain" leaves a lot to be desired.

Like what, PROOF?
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Like what, PROOF?

Exactly!

Everyone knows if you drive safely the accident rate will go down.

It's very likely that there are people who don't know that.

No one believes if everyone drove as safely as possible, there would
be no accidents.

It's very likely that there are people who do believe that. Maybe only
13 on the entire planet, but almost certainly not zero.

The proof is there in the incredibly long statistics, that the 3
certain things I mentioned could not be true.

Proof in statistics?! I love new concepts. Tell me more!

If you had a good knowledge of how life can develop, and how
resourceful intelligent life is, and just how many planets there are
in the Universe for this to occur, Monkey Boy would know I was simply
stating the obvious.

That's borderline silly. We all have equal knowledge of life elsewhere in
the universe, i.e., none.

Obvious that it's impossible that Earth has not been visited? No.

Obvious that it's impossible that we are alone? No.

Obvious that it's impossible that entities from "out there" are aware of
us? ****, no. As a matter of fact, the probability is vanishingly
small. As a matter of fact, consider the SETI project. The scientists
are "listening" on what they think is the most logical narrow band of
wavelength. The critters they're looking for are probably doing the same,
but nothing on Earth is transmitting on that band. (I don't know that
for sure.) Furthermore, everything we have leaked into space will be
drowned in the sun's spectrum, and if not, it has only reached somewhere
around a couple of dozen stars.

Your concept of "certain" doesn't work.

I happen to believe there has been life somewhere in the universe
continuously for several billion years. Civilizations have flourished and
then perished with their stars, and not one of them has been able to
reach another star, any more than we can say we will have reached another
star if one of the Voyagers happens to get captured by one a few million
years from now. I'd bet that there's lots more non-sentient life than the
kind that evolves into a technological, or even civilized species.

Now for the serious stuff. HAARP is actually an interstellar
communications device, and it uses propietary technology developed by
Alaskans. It actually sends and receives by means other than the
relatively slow electromagnetic radiation we all know about. HAARP's
first identical twin is on a planet orbiting a star somewhere between 30
and 90 light years away. The actual distance and coordinates are a big
****in' secret. Since the first thing the Alaskans did when they
invented HAARP was to broadcast its blueprints, the ****in' things are
sprouting all over the galaxy.