Ray Vingnutte wrote:

On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:08:58 GMT
Mad Scientist wrote:



Paul Lawler wrote:


Mad Scientist wrote in
. cable.rogers.com:



SO YOU CAN WATCH WITH YOUR OWN EYES THE 'OFFICIAL NASA FOOTAGE'

THAT PROVES THAT WE REALLY HAVEN'T BEEN TOLD THE WHOLE TRUTH!!!


As you are so fond of telling others... Go do your research!


Anger noted.



http://www.clavius.org/

They don't answer the Van Allen belt mystery very adequately.

They don't answer the stability of the lunar lander. ( I watched a
show on Discovery where engineers were trying to make another type of
rocket which would take off and land - and it crashed on the first
test - and this was 30 years after the Moon missions)

They say nothing about the two separate landing sites which are
identical.

They say nothing about film exposure to radiation in the vacuum of
space.

They say nothing about the gravitational mystery.


Mad, did you read the first footnote of that link I posted earlier?.
If not, do so.


Just so you know, the government and the military worldwide has their
own language to refer to UFO's and Extraterrestrial craft. Radio Ham
operators have reported (and recorded in some cases) hearing Shuttle
astronauts refer to 'santa claus' being sighted, and 'bogies' being
sighted. One transmission from the Apollo teams recorded by radio
hackers, records an astronaut who is obviously extremely excited
screaming, 'My God, its huge! I had no idea...what kind of...could
produce something so huge!' and another..."they're here...yes, they are
here now....they are following us....", then mission control says,
"please switch to **** coded channel" These are a just a few of the
samples of recordings which have been played at UFO conferences.


Further a newspaper article appeared in Canada which was a story about a
letter sent to the office of the Prime Minister (PMO) and it was a
written request by DoD (intelligence consulants within the Department of
Defense) that the PMO set up an intelligence oversight commitee
throughthe Military in order to 'spy on UFO believers' because they
'might make contact with a hostile ET race'. The story leaked to the
press who swiftly interviewed the PMO which supposedly responded with
ridicule over the DoD letter. This did happen and illustrates the level
of secrecy this subject retains in the corridors of military and
scientific and political power around the world. Also the event took
place after I (yes I was the one involved) who announced on the
internet, on a UFO newsgroup that I will prove to the world that Contact
is possible, and I named the specific location, and time - upon which it
was noticed by many other observers who reported it to the RCMP as well
as the DoD the very next day that they saw 'something which resembled 5
unkown objects flying in a V formation all over the city for about 15
minutes' before they vanished. (I did not report the sighting to the
newgroup or any UFO watchdog organization feeling the subject matter is
truly only for those who want it.) I sent this story to Dr. Greer and I
was later contacted by CSETI and invited to partake in their
conferences, but instead choose to give them all the information I could
on how to make contact with the Higher Intelligence. They have later
tested and proved what I told them, and you can find this information on
their web site.


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Just the fact the government went to the trouble to open an
investigation into UFO's prove they exist. After all the government
doesn't open investigations into the existence of the Tooth Fairy or
Santa Claus now do they.

I have seen textbooks which show artist conceptions of what a moon base
will look like and these were from the 60's and early 70's. Yet the
Moon missions were cancelled. Why? Plus the technology was shelved for
what reason? Meanwhile the Russians were still carrying on with their
space missions, and according to National Geographic magazine, 300
launches annually. Their biggest rocket dwarfed the Saturn V and yet
the western media says about that rocket, 'it can't make it to the
moon'. And yet the Russian space launch city known as Starcity
apparently also dwarfs what the Americans have at Cape Canaveral.

So be default, the American press and NASA is claiming to be the only
country capable of going to the Moon, and Russians are thus inept and
utterly incapable all this time since the 60's? I don't buy into that
line of reasoning because it leads to all sorts of false and ridiculous
conclusions. Meanwhile what justified the billions of dollars spent in
going to the Moon in the first place? No one has yet answered it other
than to say that it was politics? Absurd. Maybe to take home a bunch
of pictures and a few rocks? That line of reasoning is patently absurd
right? Meanwhile the Russians and Americans are shaking hands in space,
while supposedly down here 'fighting the Cold War'.

The Hubble team claimed they couldn't take pictures of the Moon's
surface when asked for proof of the lunar landing sites. Then they
released one single image of the moon which makes a radio shack
telescope seem powerful. They do this despite making claims that it
could photograph a fly in Tokyo if it were in New York.

Further recent mapping missions of the moon's surface revealed not one
single scrap of evidence of any landing sites (remember the moon buggy)
which would silence any detractors. NOT ONE according to researchers who
poured over the data and images.