On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 07:01:55 -0700 (PDT), Gary Harnagel
wrote:
I don't know anyone who motivate their religious belief on
scientific
grounds. Do you?

I was mainly referring to atheists but some other religions do too.

Apart from Christian Science, which religiond do that?


science today. Now, if the "One True Supreme God" would choose to
reveal
itself to us humans on a larger scale, the situation would become
very
different. But for some strange reason that hasn't happened in
modern
times, despite the description of numerous such revelations have
been
described, both in the Bible and in the Holy Scriptures of other
religions.
How come? Does the "One Supreme True God" enjoy playing
hide-and-seek with
us?

I believe He HAS revealed Himself, it's just that YOUR definition
of "reveal"
is different from mine.

A genuine revelation would also convince skeptics and non-believers.
Like e.g. a total solar eclipse, after the eclipse only maniacs would
deny that it happened. An all-powerful God who wants people to
acknowledge his existence could easily do that. So why doesn't it
happen?


There are many measurements of the universe confirming that the
visible
matter alone cannot account for the observed movements in and
among the
galaxies.

And it is still unexplained. And some scientists disagree:

Does it disturb you that there are phenomena for which we have found
no scientific explanation yet?

If science had explanations for everything, then there would be no
new science left to do...

However, even if we don't yet know what dark matter is, there is
still plenty of good evidence that dark matter does exist.

The only measurement of a human body losing weight you can point
to is
one single measurement made by one individual in isolation. Even
you
admit that it is a very meager set of empirical data. More
empirical data
is needed before any reasonably reliable conclusion can be made,
either
way.

You keep trying to dismiss the data. Why? Does it make you
uncomfortable?

Not particularly. But it is disturbing that you are so overly
confident in it. It is like trying to talk to a UFO zealot.

Just like atheists are.

Only the hard atheists which claim there cannot be any suprebe
being in
existence. You cannot accuse the soft atheists for this, they
merely
claim we don't know if there is a supreme being or not.

You're describing agnostics, not atheists.

I was actually talking about non-theists in general. The hard
atheists you refer to are a small minority.


And you strongly exaggrregate this probability, calling it
"almost
certain", "99%", "99.9%" or whatever.

That's what a scientific analysis concludes. Haven't you
investigated that?
Why not? Is it because you can continue to think wishfully?

Please describe your scientific analysis in more detail, and in
particular how you handle the possibility of systematic errors.
Confidence levels can handle only random errors, not systematic
errors.

Here you sound like a Jehovas Witness. Are you a Jehovas
Witness?

No :-))

Well, your belief seems quite close to theirs, so perhaps you
should
consider joining them?

No, my beliefs are very different from theirs. If you knew
anything about
them, you would know that.

What's the difference? You criticise all contemporary churches and
want to return to Christianity as described in the Bible. Jehovas
Witnesses also want to do this. So in that respect you are very much
like them.

Btw do you, or do you not, believe in the trinity of the Father,
the Son
and the Holy Spirit? Or do you belive that the Father is the one
and only
god?

We have already discussed this. Christianity, Judaism and Islam ARE
polytheistic in one sense, but in another they are monotheistic.

Judaism is older than the Christian doctrine of trinity. And Islam
rejects it and considers it to be polytheism. Didn't you know that?

I'm only trying to find out if your Christian belief is of the
Nicaean or the non-Nicaean kind. If you are Nicaean, you accept the
doctrines from the church council of Nicaea in AD 325, and if you are
non-Nicaean you reject them.