On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 1:11:30 AM UTC-6, Paul Schlyter wrote:

On Fri, 4 May 2018 05:15:00 -0700 (PDT), Gary Harnagel
wrote:

I see our civilization progressing to the point where goods are
virtually free because automatic machines will make them, and machines
will service the machines,

People have expected that for some 150 years now but it still hasn't
happened...

150 years is an instant in the life of a civilization.

freeing people to do "something else." But what should
that "something else" be? Jesus and the Apostles had "something
else": preaching the gospel. Should I preach the gospel at you? :-)

You already do,

Actually, I don't. Reminding you of an alternative life style is NOT
preaching.

however you don't live as you preach.

I'm not preaching. You seem to have a rather thin skin.

And when this hypocrisy is pointed out at you, you just shrug and say
"I'm not perfect"...

Is that an excuse for you to ignore His teachings? There is no shame in
being imperfect. The REAL shame is in not trying to improve oneself.

Wow! And all that just because I have asked for a little less over-
confidence, a little more caution about unintended consequences and
a little more evidence for GW, particularly AGW.

What's next? Will you ask for more evidence that the Earth is not
flat?

Straw-man argument.

"straw man — caricaturing a position to make it easier to attack"

https://www.brainpickings.org/2014/0...it-carl-sagan/

This, of course, indicates REAL hypocrisy.

Scientifically the question about AGW is settled.

Science is NEVER "settled." Science is about building models of the world
around us and testing them against experimental evidence. NO model is
perfect, and when a model fails to predict what actually happens, one
should try to find out why.

"2. Encourage substantive debate on the evidence by knowledgeable proponents
of all points of view.

"3. Arguments from authority carry little weight — “authorities” have made
mistakes in the past. They will do so again in the future. Perhaps a better
way to say it is that in science there are no authorities; at most, there
are experts.

"4. Spin more than one hypothesis. If there’s something to be explained,
think of all the different ways in which it could be explained."

Read the scientific literature if you want to educate yourself.

I have probably read more about GW than you have.

What remains is ideology, politics - and, unfortunately, denial and fake
news.

I see a LOT of that from the AGW advocates.

There were strong theoretical implications that the Higgs boson ought
to exist. They knew what they were looking for. Your phrase "NO
evidence" implies also the lack of these theoretical implications.

Your definition of "evidence" is different from mine. To me, "evidence"
is actual measurement. There is "theoretical evidence" against GW and I
have cited such. But I don't count that as REAL evidence, it just means
that the science is not as "settled" as the AGW advocates zealously claim.

Calling people flat-earthers, science-deniers, etc., accomplishes little
besides polarization. I really don't understand what you're trying to
accomplish by re-opening this multi-pronged dialog with no new information.