On a sunny day (Fri, 10 Apr 2015 06:06:47 -0700 (PDT)) it happened jay moseley
wrote in

as in the sense of Newtonian orbit, and that caused people to come up w=
ith MOND,
dark matter, and what not.

Please don't confuse the issue. The stars in orbit within a few hundred =
AU of Sgr A* are dominated by the gravity of a single compact (but invisib=
le object). This is evident because the detailed orbits of individual sta=
rs can be measured, and they are consistent with a central point mass of ~=
4 million solar masses. And they are closed, non-escaping, elliptical orb=
its. No sprinkler hose.

Its absurd to suggest that just because you cant do an n3 body calculation
for all the stars/mass in the central halo (assuming no central BH). That
somehow this can only mean that the only correct calculation is a keplerian=

one assuming a centrally located (Black hole) mass. That's not logical.
Not being able to do a calculation does not invalidate its potential
conclusion.
I have seen simulations of n body calculations where n3 and although crude
in their limitations they do show orbits near the center that appear ellipt=
ical.

If you squeeze an orange or grape fruit the fluid will spit out of the sides.
If it spits out even a bit asymmetrical then the orange should start rotating in free space.
Black hole, an other mathemagical solution to everything.
It is simply not that simple.
And, BTW
Panteltje's rule 1: There are no infinities in nature, something will always give way.
Panteltje's rule 2: We will NEVER be able to comprehend EVERYTHING (nor a theory thereof)
just like an ant cannot understand the motivation of the architect who designed the wall it is creeping up.
Not enough neurons, you CANNOT grab 'Everything' in a limited amount of 'memory' or 'hardware'
or 'neurons' or whatever you use or identify yourself with.
Now I can live with these 2 rules, and as soon as somebody knows 'everything' I'm out of here :-)

Jan Panteltje
Weapons of Math Destruction.


Man not done so much philosophy in ages, just moved teh grass, cleaned teh house, did the shopping,
and ate a chocolate bar.
I am pretty sure that was real, I really changed the structure of the entire universe,
or ?? rather it moved and I obeyed.
We are but puppets, no free will or Free Willy or whatever.
But, God willing??? Willy will be freed.
i am not religious BTW.
see it this way:
Stars get born, die, explode and here I am, and have to surrender.

mm how about a big bang tax, things will cool of ye know, maybe taxing (of course) will stop that.
What's the word: ??
**** cannot remember.
Ha, 'entropy', I cheated:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_death_of_the_universe
Intersting view no?