oriel36 wrote:
On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:27:04 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:


No mess here. Just you being anachronistic.

The 'definitional' mess is due to the lack of astronomers insofar as any
lover of the celestial arena would never have required a planet to be
isolated outside the original context of their 'wandering' motions.

How delicate the partitioning between inner and outer planets as they
wander against the background stars from two different perspective but
these insights are so fragile that they vanish for the crude observers
like yourselves who never encountered an astronomical fact that your cult didn't destroy.



The planets don't wander around against the background stars. They orbit
the Sun.
There are no fragile insights. Just predictable motions which are obvious
to all those who are capable of appreciating three dimensions - that
doesn't include you with your green cats.

The line-of-sight observation as the orbital motion of the Earth through
space generates a picture where the stars move behind the Sun in sequence -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?vîQwYrfmvoQ

The planets follow roughly the same route as those stars as they move
along their orbital plane but the inner planets wander against the
direction of the background stars as they emerge from the Sun and enter
back into the Sun having reached their widest point from the Sun as seen
from a moving Earth and then move in the direction of the stars for the
other half of their orbits as the inner planets move in front of the central Sun -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdFrE7hWj0A

You have already disgraced yourself enough by putting the Sun in
circumpolar motion when the ancient astronomers up to the time of
Copernicus used the apparent motion of the Sun through the constellations
only as an orbital feature -

But they were wrong.
It's the Earth which orbits, not the Sun.

"Moreover, we see the other five planets also retrograde at times, and
stationary at either end [of the regression]. And whereas the sun always
advances along its own direct path, they wander in various ways, straying
sometimes to the south and sometimes to the north; that is why they are
called "planets" [wanderers]. " Copernicus

To resolve inner planetary retrogrades the more productive line-of-sight
motion of the stars behind the central Sun is required in order to create
the magnificent grandstand view of the motion of the inner planets as seen from Earth .

To explain the retrogrades all that's needed is the ability to visualise in
three dimensions - which you don't possess.

Any other era and this would be a wonderful occasion which adds to the
achievement of the first heliocentric astronomers so I enjoy the insight
alone and in honor of those men and perhaps the experience of using new
tools at a time when others can't.

In any other era you would be derided as a bloody minded idiot who refused
to see reason. No different to today.

You should stop believing in magic. The universe is as it is. We observe it
and formulate laws which describe how it functions. You get confused
between laws of nature and human laws. We don't tell the planets what to
do, we just deduce how they do it.
Then we can see if the planets behave as those laws predict. If they don't
we are wrong and must try again.
You however just ignore inconvenient facts. You also decide that the whole
world is conspiring to deceive you and with no perceptible motive.
Does this sound like madness to you?