On 09/11/2013 4:23 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sat, 09 Nov 2013 03:41:52 -0500) it happened Yousuf Khan
wrote in :
Well, I don't think the black holes are "spitting out" stars either.

Some form of something that then changes into stars, you could say star forming substance.
Far more likely than clouds of 'smoke' (gases) falling into those blobs we call black holes,
and on the way-in forming stars.
Is that not the current consensus? Gravitational clumping together,
why then only near black holes? It should fall in then.

Well, first of all, it's not only near black holes that stars form from
the gas clouds, these days they form near exploding supernovas too. But
in the very early days of the universe, they hadn't yet had enough time
to form supernovas, so it was likely only blackholes that were available
to create the compressive forces necessary in those gas clouds. Those
first-generation black hole formed stars then became the first
generation of supernovas that created the next generation of stars
further away from the blackholes. Newer and newer stars then start
forming further out from the central black holes because they are being
formed from supernovas compressing their gas clouds, instead of the
black holes doing it.

As for why they don't fall in, because often they only enter into orbit
around the black hole, rather than falling in. Also let's not forget
that a lot of these in-falling matter are producing prodigious amounts
of photons which will push matter further out, away from the black hole
region rather than towards it. Basically all forms of friction,
electrical charges, and magnetic charges are being carried by these
photons -- thus they are electromagnetic forces. And EM forces are what
are opposing matter from only falling into black holes.

In some models of gravity (Le Sage) there is by nature a maximum on gravity (all particles intercepted),
And so on the attraction possible by a black hole, and that also facilitates them flying apart in an original bang.
Hey few HUNDRED years ago people thought sun was burning coal, as that is all they know.
Now we think it must be nuclear. and then what?

Oh yes, I had forgotten you're a proponent of Le Sage's model of
gravity. However, Le Sage gravity model fails as a model for gravity
itself, but it does seem to be a precursor to the Casimir Effect, which
is not gravitational, but is a quantum effect that is gravity-like at
tiny scales.

The Casimir Effect is one of the leading candidate possibilities for
creating wormholes in space, sometime in the future. So the Casimir
Effect and gravity may be related in some way.

Yousuf Khan