On Saturday, August 10, 2013 6:33:01 AM UTC-7, Martha Adams wrote:
On 8/9/2013 2:15 PM, Brad Guth wrote:

On Friday, August 9, 2013 7:31:59 AM UTC-7, Martha Adams wrote:

On 8/8/2013 1:36 AM, Brad Guth wrote:

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:16:44 AM UTC-7, wrote:



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Think about the incredible narrowmindedness and ignorance in

scientific practice today, as it rolls out the politics and economics

that approaches the criminal, and you've got status-quo science

reaching its nemesis with human civilization. The people who continue

to clone and propagate this technology are the ignorant gangsters,

control freaks, and parasites, along with the MM, who equate power

in numbers with the power to destroy anything that gets in their way

of controlling how the profits are made, and how these profits are to

be distributed to themselves, and they implement state control through

the useful idiot enforcement of their establishment protocol. They are

the same people that created Hitler as a wind-up toy, set to be released

as soon as the Neville Chamberlain "moment of peace" with der Fuhrer

was accepted lock, stock, and barrel.



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Oligarchs and Bilderbergs still get to do as they please, regardless

of whomever we elect or appoint.



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Seems to me, the only way you can say such as the above, is to know

almost nothing of what you're talking about. As antidote, I suggest,



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I think nobody is going to "understand" today's world. In part, because

much of what makes it what it is, is hidden. But I do believe, the

books I mention here amount to a helpful guide.



And, *beware too-general statements.* They both mark and make a closed

mind.



Titeotwawki -- Martha Adams [Fri 2013 Aug 09]



That's all very good feedback, though meanwhile us members of our

respective republics that get to pay and suffer for everything these

few others do, have to take notice and demand the closure of their agency

loopholes that enables their surveillance/snooping and profiling upon each

and everyone of us (including yourself). Obviously Snowden proves that

they can not keep lids on hardly anything, and the consequences of their

actions or inactions can bring about another Karma of 9-11, as well as any

number of proxy wars in order to suit whatever these Oligarchs and

Bilderbergs have in mind.



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Well, if I have extracted its message from the above, I think the

meaning is much like "Those who stop evolution, force revolution" which

I attribute to one of the Kennedys.



But I'm not in a great rush to eliminate the "Oligarchs and Bilderbergs"

because, the business and social systems they have built up to return to

them their control and money, are exactly the systems that support my

(and your) life; and if those go, then where are we? A child or a

religious type thinks faith will automatically bring things around to

what they ought to be. In fact, I'd look for a result more like the

recent Balkans, or like Syria today. With immense loss of value,

capital, social systems, and human life, and the next generation

handicapped by the recent trauma. Slowing social and economic recovery

from decades to generations. So while I don't like what I see, here in

America, I believe smashing things leads to intolerable consequences;

and the problem is, how do we get from here to something that is long

term constructive?



Which is some of why I promote off-Terra settlements ASAP. A rational

program for that is cheaper than anything because of the possibility of

immense return from it. And because it opens options we don't see

today, to break the Republicans "My way or no way" throttling of, well,

everything good. For openers, we could just siphon off some money from

America's military budget, which would be the world's largest if reduced

by two-thirds.



Titeotwawki -- Martha Adams [Sat 2013 Aug 10]

With 7000 some odd Oligarchs and Bilderbergs to support and deal with the consequences and often negative/revenge Karma because of their terrestrial greed, arrogance, bigotry, proxy wars and misguided authority regardless of whomever we elect or appoint, has been costing us(the world) far more than it's worth. As long as they remain in charge, off-world exploitations are not going to happen until their military industrial complex needs the resources and/or the advantage of holding such high ground.

I'll have more to say about this later. Meanwhile, there's always GuthVenus to take seriously.