On Oct 24, 8:43*pm, "hanson" wrote:
Harlow "HVAC" wrote:

Harlow wrote:

Then how did the universe start? Gawd?

hanson wrote:

To some folks that's the answer... ahahaha...
They are the "lucky" ones.
To me... I DUNNO!... and I like that.
I don't need no Gawd ... the "aw" from/for the
unknown is enough for me... since cosmology is
truly the GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD..
including all of its fantasies, lies and tabulations.
& it is hilarious to boot ...ahahahahanson

Harlow wrote:

Well stated and well said.

hanson wrote:

... many say that the universe expands, without
saying that said space expands into "what"

Harlow wrote:

Space *itself* is expanding.
"Into what", is a nonsensical question.

hanson wrote:

ROFL! Your beitsym just fell off & gummed up your works.
You are weaseling &/or parrot what you read somewhere.
Anything that expands does so in its matrix, even space.
So, what is the matrix that space is embedded in,
so that said space can expand in and into?
If that matrix is "Nothing"... then space cannot expand.
If that "Nothing" has properties that allow space to
expand into then what are these "Nothing" properties?

Harlow wrote:

I know this is difficult for you as well as many other laymen.
The 4 dimensional space-time that we know and love is
expanding. The matrix of these 4 dimensions is expanding.
Since this 4 dimensional space-time matrix encompasses
everything, the fact of it's expansion is not unexpected
if viewed in the light of current day astrophysics.

hanson wrote:

ahahaha... By def. your "4d space-time" lacks mass, etc.
Harlow you should have stopped while your song
sounded good. Now, you are drifting towards Hebe-
Herbie's tripes with his concave convex space theories.

__ Google: -- "nothing moves in space time" *-- __

Believe what you wish, Harlow, but consider that only
Einstein Dingleberries believe the notion you've stated.

Here, for your benefit consider too that the inventor of
"4-dimensional space-time" thought that it was a crock.

. _ *Einstein himself was a SR/GR Relativity denier _

Here, for your benefit, is Einstein's intellectual evolution,
which started with his 1905 paper, wherein ||AE|| wrote:

|||AE||| "the velocity of light 'c' in our theory (SR) plays
|||AE||| the part, physically, of an infinitely great velocity."

From 1905 on, & during the next 3 decades when
Einstein was riding high on his Zionist financed wake
that put & kept him in the lime light, it became clearer
that

== * Einstein & his contributions to physics is/are what
== * Picasso's contributions are to the world of fine art,
== * namely mental aberrations, Gedanken farts and
== * his lunacies like:

||| AE:: * *"People like us, who _BELIEVE_ in physics,
||| AE:: * * know that the distinction between the
||| AE:: * * past, resent, and future is only a stubbornly
||| AE:: * * persistent illusion."
||| AE:: * * "Space & time are NOT conditions in which we
||| AE:: * * live; they are simply modes in which we think."

That then was the Weltbild of these 2 Fartist kikes.
http://tinyurl.com/2-Jewish-Fartists ... yet Einstein
never had the guts to prove his SR/GR, by him simply
jumping out of a 5th story window & manipulating the
curvature of space & handling space-time, to avoid him
being splattered on the side walk, and thereby proving
his insistence that Gravity is not a force like Newton said.

But towards the end of his life, Einstein came clean &
__ Einstein himself became a relativity DENIER ____
& he changed his mind by 1954 when he declared that

||AE|| *All these 50 years of conscious brooding have
||AE|| *brought me [= Einstein] *NO nearer to the answer
||AE|| *to the question, 'What are light quanta?' aka photons.

And furthermore Einstein saw the handwriting on the wall,
when in 1954, a year before he died, he wrote to his
Jewish friend Besso:

|||AE:||| "as far as the laws of mathematics refer to
|||AE:||| reality, they are not certain; and as far as they
|||AE:||| are certain, they do not refer to reality."

|||AE:||| "why would anyone be interested in getting exact
|||AE:||| solutions from such an ephemeral set of equations?"

|AE:||| "I consider it quite possible that physics cannot be
|||AE:||| based on the field concept, i. e., on continuous
|||AE:||| structures. In that case nothing remains of my entire
|||AE:||| castle in the air, my gravitation theory included."

|||AE:||| "If I had my life to live over again, I'd be a plumber".
|||AE:||| ... [and I would make blouses instead (see link)]
http://tinyurl.com/Blouse-Plumber-Einstein & so, ergo:

. ____ *SR is short for STUPID RANT _____ *and
. ____ *GR stands for GULLIBLE RECITAL _____.

or as expressed rather civilized by poster Tom Roberts
[TR], who, when he had a flash of lucidity, wrote:

[TR:] *___ "SR/GR happen to be "META-Theories"__, iow:
. * ____ *Relativity *is a theory about a theory.____, iow:
. * ______ *SR & GR is Physics by "Hear-say"______.

Up-shot:
Why then is SR/GR still so popular?
People hang on to & fanatically believe in all kind of ****,
*which they do OBSERVE & MEASURE, like in "UFO's",
"Crop circles", the "Bible", the "Koran", "SR&GR" & etc,
etc., etc.... * * *The list is long and like Einstein said:

|||AE:: *"they are NOT conditions in which we live;
|||AE:: * they are simply modes in which we think."

Once indoctrinated by any of these esoteric gags,
which are escapes from harsh reality, people do
build that into their Weltbild, proselytize for it and
defend it with their lives!!!.....
___ * It is far easier to believe then to think! _____

Take care, Harlow, and thanks for the laughs and
continue to BELIEVE in your Weltbild... for that is
you very own happy Evangelism.... If not, then
argue with Einstein, instead of me.... ahahahaha
... ahahahahanson

A reply to Harlow is like you're speaking to yet another burning bag
of dog poop, and expecting it to understand anything.

FUD-masters like Harlow have their jobs to do, and your reply to the
burning bag of dog poop that represents the mainstream status-quo,
seems rather pointless.